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# Inspired by Bargearse's post earlier

one for the back of the pram
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:40, archived)
# Yes!
How've you been? haven't seen you online for a while.
(or maybe you've been on when I haven't been)
(I helped save b3ta! BargeArse Maker of fine Trouser Trumpets since 1863, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:42, archived)
# I'm very well, thankyou, how are you,
and no I've been on, I've just not been posting, no particular reason really.
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:47, archived)
# Good thanks!
No worries - it's all in good time...
(I helped save b3ta! BargeArse Maker of fine Trouser Trumpets since 1863, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:51, archived)
# Hahaha
Yes
(I helped save b3ta! Bela Lugosi's Dad, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:47, archived)
# hahahhahahaha! *first click of the day!*
ningles everyone! Ahhhh, back in london; the natural order of things are back in, errr, order!
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:48, archived)
# On board sign on board

If you look really closely at the last on board sign it says 'your mother is on board' (Not really)
(I helped save b3ta! Squishtastic is having bouts of insomnia.. beware b3ta, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:56, archived)
# Pushy parents
(I helped save b3ta! Bela Lugosi's Dad, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 8:59, archived)
# May as well use it while I got it...
(theSHALROTH Gaga's tits are on fucking fire!!!, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:07, archived)
# Hahaha

If I ever get kids, and a car, I'd hang this from its car butt.
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:17, archived)
# Q&D
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:36, archived)
# I bet those actually exist

(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 10:00, archived)
# yup
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 10:05, archived)
# We really need to reversibly sterilize everyone
And introduce parenting tests akin to those one needs to pass in order to adopt.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:07, archived)
# alternatively, you could just fire-bomb Hemel Hempstead.
(I helped save b3ta! theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:12, archived)
# And at the same time
extradite anyone who doesn't conform to the 'given' way of thinking.


Oh...

ALSO IN OTHER NEWS EDIT:

I see the Daily Fail have finally sacked their picture editor... probably... as the job is up for grabs

jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/896079/picture-editorsresearchers/

Surely a B3tan could get this and break the system from within
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:13, archived)
# that's odd,
when I read this exact same news on the BBC website yesterday, it seemed far more moderate than that.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:16, archived)
# Why on earth should political opinion come into it?
It doesn't into adoption tests.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:16, archived)
# it doesn't,
it's just the Daily Mail being hysterical.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:19, archived)
# Precisely. In the words of Chris TT
"All the worst people in Britain read the Daily Mail"
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:24, archived)
# I'd rather say that all the worst people write it,
because they know what they're doing, whereas the average man on the street can only take what they say at face value on the assumption that the media is not fundamentally corrupt. But the only alternative to that is state censorship. Hobson's choice...
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:29, archived)
# State censorship is very necesssary and something we're very happy with.
EG - military "intelligence" and state secrets.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:32, archived)
# "We're"?
Who are you speaking for here? Are you the Queen?

I don't know if you'd be happy with making all government policy a state secret in case the Daily Mail reports it in a stupid way.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:34, archived)
# I didn't say ALL govt info.
As for being the queen - for the right price I can be anyone you like, baby.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:39, archived)
# No you didn't, but why not, eh?
Or how else can we deal with the Daily Mail problem?
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:41, archived)
# that totally wouldn't be in the least bit as scary as Nazism.
Godwin win.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:15, archived)
# No it wouldn't.
To adopt an unwanted child that is a drain on national financial resources you have to jump through all sorts of hoops and do tricks and prove yourself.

However, if you're a benefits-fed chav that's prepared to lie on your back for 2 minutes - bang! You can be a parent!

I don't see why the generally immediate reaction to the proposal is that of "OMG yr a Nazi becoz u want to breed pure ppl and stop them thinking". I haven't proposed that at all.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:19, archived)
# that's because people aren't state property,
and can have children if they want, whereas the adoption agency is a public body. Can you tell the difference?
You have proposed mandating unnecessary operations on innocent people.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:20, archived)
# Well, people are state property really.
I mean - everyone has to abide by state control - law and order.

Why should we let them breed unchecked and thus provide an unreportable issue?

Wouldn't it be far more practical to regulate breeding so that we can at least ensure that the children have some sort of standard of upbringing that will give them (potentially) a decent start in life?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:23, archived)
# No the state is public property.
Your way round is called totalitarianism.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:27, archived)
# Sorry - you're right.
The state is public property, the individual is state property.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:28, archived)
# That's bizarrely circular
if it isn't frighteningly authoritarian.
And the ownership of individuals is called slavery.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:31, archived)
# Not really - just how it is.
That's why the individual can be incarcerated, but not the public.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:33, archived)
# No that's fucking nuts.
Being able to incarcerate somebody doesn't say anything about ownership, only power of force. And they can only legally do that under a certain set of very well documented circumstances, anyway. If they truly owned you they'd be able to do it for no reason at all. But even if they acted like you were state property, it wouldn't make it so.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:36, archived)
# What - and they can't?
The individual is absolutely owned by the state - force is right - hence most people don't break the law - as they're afraid of going to prison.

Only the state has the power to imprison - it's how society works.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:38, archived)
# Either you're trolling,
or you're genuinely the worst person I've ever communicated with.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:39, archived)
# I enjoy debate and discussion - I don't mean to offend, though.
I'll argue black is white for the joy of the sport.

But authoritarianism is how society works - society needs an authority to regulate itself just as a cell needs a wall to stop its insides falling out.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:45, archived)
# Ah, Devil's Advocate,
it's good to know what I'm dealing with here, at least.

Of course society needs authorities and regulations. It doesn't need to demand absolute control over everybody's lives. Society exists for the benefit of people, not the other way round, and that means one of its duties is to human dignity. Being able to raise one's own children is something so fundamental to being human that the state should never be allowed to dictate on it, although I'm all for providing good education so that people can make their own informed decisions. And I can't say I'm in favour of rewarding social irresponsibility with cash hand-outs and council house priority. These things were largely a necessary response to the effects of WWII, but it's difficult to take it away now without people complaining about their "rights".
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 4 Aug 2009, 9:55, archived)