Well, that's just an appeal to the masses
If almost everyone in the world is wrong, they should still *at least* learn what the words mean before they wade in with ignorant opinions.
And this is clearly the BBC scraping around for filler, they got asked, they said yes.
Fuck all this 'speading values' culture war nonsense, if they aren't advocating harm or hate, you always have the option to just ignore it.
Also, they can't 'make you care', you either do, or you don't. It's your *choice*.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 13:11, Reply)
It was posted here, and people have given their opinions because that's what happens here.
If you hate those opinions you also have the option to ignore them. Incidentally, were people's opinions on gender ignorant before the word started to be redefined by sjws, or did they become so after?
They're trying to make me care by bringing it to my attention... I don't actually care but I'm capable of understanding that they're attempting to make me care about it. I don't actually have any strong opinion; but if asked to consider it, I'll do so, and then let you know what I think. Don't ask the question if you don't like the obvious answer.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 14:17, Reply)
*applauds*
However, some people will always be looking to criticise, how can they be 'right' if they cannot find someone else to be 'wrong'.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Mon 16 Sep 2019, 14:25,
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I don't think anyone is wrong.
Unless they come and tell me I'm wrong because I don't agree with their bullshit ideology.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 15:36, Reply)
plot twist
(by your own logic)
Those two might say the very same of you.
The only difference is that you've told us instead of them directly... and of course your own ideology could never be someone else's bullshit ;)
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 18:10, Reply)
I'd say that a fairly significant difference is
I've neither sought out, nor agreed to, going on national television to inform people about how I'm superior.
Where that article was apropos of nothing, my responses have been in response to it.
I'm sure my ideology would be bullshit to them, but they'd never know because I have the good grace not to occupy their TV screen with my nonsense.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 18:13, Reply)
Obviously there's no one 'correct' way to live
Ask yourself though, why is it you feel they are saying 'I am superior'.
To my mind, they're just showing people another way, and that why they got on the telly (/rando internet news item), because it's less ordinary/ novel.
No one is asking you to agree with it, it's just another thing that you now know some people think.
water off a ducks back, no?
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 18:35, Reply)
Possibly they're not trying to be superior.
I'm somewhat extrapolating from a significant majority of the "woke" people that I have encountered; they don't seem to tolerate it when I don't agree with them. Most times I've been subjected to a woke point of view it's as a preamble to getting uppity when I don't nod in agreement.
Possibly I'm doing these guys an injustice. To be fair to them, they weren't particularly unreasonable in that video, and they seem like decent people. Maybe I just hate everyone on TV.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 19:12, Reply)
yeah, I hear you
Seems to be a lot of this polarization about, and people forgetting that it's ok to disagree and talk about things.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 20:55, Reply)
NO IT ISN'T!
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 22:07,
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Why are you trying to shut down a debate on this?
If morons are going to get onto a soapbox and spout moronic opinions, it should be my choice whether I ignore them or get on a soapbox and point out how moronic they are.
Why does their opinion carry any more weight than mine?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 16:08,
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It's interesting
as the arguments in place are less about the subject matter at hand (gender fluidity) and more about the context in which they are presented (LOOK AT NEW LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME)
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 16:25,
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That's kinda the issue as far as I'm concerned.
You don't need to force gender fluidity on children. They are - and always have been more than capable of making their own choices about what toys to play with and what clothes to wear. All you need to do as a parent is to ensure that you don't make those choices seem like the wrong choices.
I'm going to be a bit presumptious here, but if their child is male - I bet Hobbit there would be a bit disappointed if he naturally chooses to gravitate towards traditionally male toys and steers away from the traditionally female. And I bet in that situation, there will be a bit more prompting from the parents than they'd like to admit.
At the end of the day, they're children. They change their minds about stuff fucking constantly. As long as they're not causing any harm to themselves, just fucking leave them to it.
You don't need to make a (literal) big song and dance about something kids have been doing since the concept of gender without any input from adults.
The issue these fuckwits should be tackling is not the child's imagined unwillingness to play with non gender-traditional toys, it's with some parent's unwillingness to allow their children to play with those non gender-traditional toys.
This whole thing is a lot more about them than it is about their poorly named son/daughter, who is likely going to end up with no end of issues when they're older - not because they were raised 'gender fluid', but because they've been raised by narcissistic fuckwit hippy parents on a bloody houseboat.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 16:54, Reply)
^ what xhe said
It's the trumpeting The Message at kids I object to. You don't need to have any sort of single-issue workshop bullshit. Just teach them not to be cunts and let them get on with it.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 17:09,
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I think you're right but mainly because I have more issue with the latter.
i care nothing for anyone's identity, choice, preference, whatever but the whole LOOK AT ME that is so embedded in culture these days is beyond me. If this 'couple' had carried on as they were, quietly followed their owns beliefs, morals or ideology...fair play.
But it's 'Look at how progressive we are! Look at how in tune with modernity we are! LOOK HOW WRONG YOU'VE BEEN!'
And don't even get me started on reality tv.....
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NooShmoo It's a fantazmagorical pile of ultra bollocks, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 16:55,
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That's what I said
It's your choice whether you care about this or not.
Bring some interesting opinions and fire away!
I'm not in any way 'shutting down a debate' on this, feel free to carry on.
All I find objectionable is the 'look at these fucking idiots' vibe.
I'm simply saying that *if* your opinion boils down to 'look at these fucking hippy clowns- jesus christ', then your opinion is dogshit, sorry, I don't owe you my agreement.
In this particular case, you haven't actually given your opinion yet, so it's hard to say what weight it carries.
I like to go on an opinion by opinion basis.
Hope that helps.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 18:03, Reply)
So, you don't think these two are idiots?
I can't figure out whether you agree with their methods and are upset that most of us do not.
Or if you're just upset that i made fun of somebodies lifestyle/parenting choices.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 18:33, Reply)
I don't know them
Their methods make no difference to me personally.
People should generally do what they like, and let others enjoy the same privileged.
And I'm not upset, I'm just telling you that:
A. your opinion on these two is of no value to anyone but yourself.
B. the manner in which is was stated makes you sound unreasonably angry.
(, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 18:45, Reply)
They're cunts, and they're going to raise a cunt kid. Hope that helps.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 21:22,
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You fucking retract that bit about my cunt fucking kids!
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 16 Sep 2019, 22:06,
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