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This is a normal post Give me one valid reason to study this scientifically
and I will retract my otherwise bulletproof claim that this absurd experiment is bollocks.
 (I helped save b3ta! chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post But this is the point.
You are proving with each statement you make that you are just as bad as fundamentalists in any walk of life and with any belief.

What makes you so arrogant as to say that you are undoubtedly right? Granted, you may have ration to your beliefs, but who the fuck are you to say that you know that there is no Spirit world definitively?
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post More importantly, who is he to suggest someone should or shouldn't do a scientific experiment?
That's REAL fundie talk right there.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post who is he to suggest somthing?

(zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know of him as "chart cat".
Are his suggestions refutable?
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm yet to hear a valid reason why anyone shouldn't - "It's all bollocks" is not a valid reason.
Humans are naturally inquisitive. It's what makes us human.

You're suggesting that we all stop asking questions. That's fucking retarded, completely unscientific and it won't achieve anything worthwhile.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bohr's concept of the atom turned out to be wrong
but it certainly opened up a lot of discussion.

I wonder where we would be today if they all just said "it's a load of bollocks".
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 12:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post WE'DBEINAMERICALOLS!

(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not at all
Some questions are more retarded than others though.

"Will I be able to see this picture of a duck on the top shelf as I approach death?"

There, that's one of them.
 (I helped save b3ta! chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post "will I be able to turn lead into gold using my own distilled piss?"
There's another.

I'm glad they tried. It means I can have a mobile phone with a long lasting battery.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Surely the whole purpose of science to start with
is to prove or disprove a theory, whereas all you appear to be doing is dismissing completely without foundation or proof the non existence of something. If it really is a load of bollocks, scientific research is one way to investigate further and perhaps find out for sure. Hence it's not a waste of time. Waste of funding maybe, but not time.

You appear to be both anti science and anti religion. And a bit angry/bonkers on top of that.
 (Hullandback, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post WIN :D
If only this had an I Like This button :D
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Anti religion, yes, definitely
Anti science though? How did you arrive there?

Real-world science is not about trying to test everything; that's just impossible. The whole point of my posting was to highlight the wasting of scientific endeavours on trivial pursuits like this one. The vaguest critical analysis of the experiment itself shows that it will not --and can not-- produce a positive result. If that is the case, why bother doing it? Therefore, my whole point is that it's a complete waste of time.

There's a famous philosophical experiment which seeks to prove that there *isn't* a teapot orbiting the sun between Earth and Mars. The experiment is a fool's errand, it will prove nothing, apart from that which is already within the realm of reasonable assumption.

Is it wrong to assume that there is no teapot? Most scientists would say no. If not, why is it wrong to assume that this experiment will be a total waste of time too? It has about as much chance of success, given our exisitng knowledge of real vs make-believe.

If I seem angry, it's because a lot of people don't seem to have the capability to make rational decisions any more. Too much credibility is given to wasting money and effort on rubbish like this poxy experiment.
 (I helped save b3ta! chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post MODERN CHEMISTRY WAS CREATED BY PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEAD INTO GOLD USING THEIR PISS.

(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well I think you have shown the problem here.
You consider it all Real vs. Make Believe but it isn't.

It is known versus unknown.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post My definition of make-believe
Anything which cannot be explained or theorised by application of scientific rigour.

This stuff about departing souls isn't theoretical science you know, it's just an idea with no basis in fact whatsoever. Show me a scientist with a working theory of the existence of a soul, and I'll show you faith in disguise.

Known vs Unknown is quite a different matter. Should we pursue knowledge? Absolutely. Should it be based on testable theories? Absolutely. Should we test every theory which otherwise explains away the unknown? Perhaps not... a pale bloke down the road from me claims to be a vampire. I'm pretty sure he isn't one, but I don't think I need to prove it conclusively by experiment.
 (I helped save b3ta! chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Can I just make sure I understand you correctly here then?
By your reasoning, up until whenever it was, anything smaller than the atom was make believe? But at the moment it was seen that an atom is made up of even smaller parts, it travelled from the ethereal into the real world? Or do you believe that we have perfected Science?
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, you misunderstood
Theorising that atoms are made of smaller components was not only possible, but documented long before it could be proven. There was a good basis for a theory and it received the proper attention.

What basis is there to theorise the existence of a soul via the medium of 'near-death experience'? Individual testimony? Talk about an unreliable witness... you must be kidding me.

Why bother trying to prove the soul exists, or not? It's just faith. It has no basis in science at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! chart cat has an itch, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post I myself do not know what benefit could be gained
from discovering there is a soul.

However, I am not Stephen Hawking, or Richard Dawkins or whoever.

At the same time, I don't know why we need to know whether or not the Higgs Boson exists to be honest. However, just because I do not understand as well as more educated people, doesn't mean that I am against them searching. To be honest, my life would not change one way or the other if it were proven or disproved that people have souls. But I will not tell people what to search for and what not to!
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post mate dont worry
there only saying this crap becusae "spriat worlds" and monothestic relgions are such cultraly ecceptable ideas. relgion vs scince is only seen as a valdid debate becasue people have beilved in god for so long. there is as much eveidnce for harry potter as there is for any relgious idea. yet if you suggested to theses guys an exsperment at a train station to see if harry pottor was going to come out the wall they would think you were crasy
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think you'll find that we're all pro-science on this side of the argument.
WHY DOESN'T ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT TRYING TO TURN LEAD INTO GOLD USING DISTILLED PISS?
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post It was done because they believed
it was possible.

Who are we to argue against ancient beliefs? It is not their fault that they hadn't discovered as much as us yet.

And as you say, it lead to modern chemistry ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post i did youve written like a million times
go back and look
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post No you didn't
I pointed out where chemistry came from and you described how it evolved.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah but my point was that now we have scintific reasoning we dont need to rely on just doing random shit
so i dont see how your point is valid
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post Chemistry came from alchemy.
If some nutter hadn't tried to turn lead into gold using their piss, we wouldn't be where we are today.

But still they shouldn't have bothered, it's all a load of bollocks.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post omg im not saying they shouldnt ahve bothered
im saying theres a better method now so yets use that
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Superglue was invented by accident
So were twisties, they're nice.

Sure, we don't have to go around sucking on cow's tits to see what comes out anymore, but we're naturally inquisitive. That's how we move forward as a species.

Why would you try and discourage this?
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Now you're just being a fucking idiot!
You quite clearly have not read a single word anyone has written.

Either that or you are horrendously arrogant and think that your opinion, and those who agree unerringly with you, is the only one that is worthy and valid, and refuse to accept nayone elses!
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post NO NO SOMEBODY CONSIDERED RELIGION
THAT MEANS THEIR OPINION IS INVALID, LIKE GALILEO'S.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post jesus christ im only trying to point out the logical result of regarding all rando shit you make up as valid
if you think there might be spriat worlds why no middle earth, why not faires down the garden, why not wizards hiding in the malyan jungle. why dont we test all these things based on your veiw on scince we should.
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Please, go on.
Tell me what I believe in.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post im not telling you what you beilve ibn
im saying that if we as a soceity are to accept teh testing of relgious beilfs as a valid use of resorcses why limit to relgious beilfs and not allthings with as much grounding as relgious beilfs, like all the other stuff which is made up
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Atheists can have out of body experiences too!
Some might refuse to admit it, but we can put that down to cognitive dissonance.

Does this mean there is an afterlife? maybe. I don't think that's what the study is trying to prove.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post im arrogant becuase i think my opinion is worthy invalid?
so to stop being arrogant i ahve to think my opinion is unworthy and invlaid? i you sure you dont think arrgogant because i disaghree with you?
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post My apologies,
now edited to say what I actually meant to say.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post the fact that im continuley responding to peoples arguments througout this debate
would suggest im reading what theve written. so i guess im jsut arrgogant for having an opinion that you dont share then
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post That is not what I am saying and you know it full well.

(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post MODERN CHEMISTRY WAS CREATED BY PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEAD INTO GOLD USING THEIR PISS.

(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post it was created by lots of things
in the end developments in chemistry where massivly acclerated by the adoption of scitific reasoning, dropping the trial and error random bulshit aproach wich had seen hardly any developments in thousands of years.
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Where did it start?

(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post it dosnt mattere if it started from something unscintific
the whole point was that is before scence as we know it today was developed so its going to come form somthing whcih isnt scince. that dosnt mean we should still use the old method. a modern rifle evolved from an old fansioned muskit thats not an argument for going back to msukits
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 13:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, it kinda does matter.
If it didn't start somewhere, it wouldn't have grown into what it is.

A modern rifle evolved from people throwing rocks. Personally I don't like either option but people still throw rocks and shoot each other.

Not that this is even vaguely related to my above argument. I think you've just got a chip on your shoulder.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post ok it is related heres why
i accept that it was good that people expserimented before scintific reasoning in a non scintfic way. but now that we have scince we should go back to doing things in the less productive way much like my example with the rifel please dont restate teh fact that it started chemesry, i havent argued that it wasnt neccasry only that it is npo longer neccsary
 (zaitsevrogue9, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think you can establish that it's no longer necessary
Discoveries will always be made by dumb luck, by people just playing around, by people doing things that they don't completely understand.

Fantastic discoveries, not just post-it notes or twisties. Humankind advances because we use our inquisitive minds. It's a good thing and it should be encouraged.
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hmm okay, in order to do that we will have to see whether or not it is worth investigating.
We could do that by putting pictures on a top shelf and seeing whether people can see them, would that do?
 (I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 18 Sep 2008, 14:46, , Reply)