Undercover with the BNP
Ronseal. Don't forget to vote on the 4th so these scum don't get in.
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Terry_Tibbs Coarse and violent nudity. Occasional language, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 16:49,
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I just set this
as the video on my channel page!
Good work from these guys. I like the bit where the BNP canvasser asks her "where in our manifesto does it say we're only for white people?"
And of course, it doesn't say it in their manifesto. But it does in their party constitution:
"The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples."
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somegreybloke, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:02,
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Too true.
I really enjoyed your vid earlier sir.
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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:05,
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Would really like to campaign against the BNP - searched online without success - does anyone know of any form anti BNP campaign going on in London on Polling Day?
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You might find something here:
action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/event/search_simple
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somegreybloke, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:16,
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I think In Vino Veritas went on one in Preston recently
She should be able to help.
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Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:25,
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Insidious scumbags
Need a good smiting
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LemonEntryMyDearWatson This time, Moriarty, the hand is on the other foot, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:12,
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Brilliant video.
But i can't understand if that voice-over just the style that the cool kids talk these days. or he's a fucking dull twat.
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MrGomez and David Bellamy's big pubey beard, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:18,
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"I like this!"
but I really don't like it, if you see what I mean.
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Zuowan, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:21,
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What a bunch of cunts.
The way to protest against them is to make sure you vote on Thursday.
*gets off soapbox*
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Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:25,
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Good on the "Don't Panic" boys for putting this together
It really makes me sad that people like the BNP still exist in this country.
But the cynic inside of me say's this is just drawing more attention to these idjuts...
*buys a ticket to live on an island in the sun*
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Darklord, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:31,
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This
Also, I want to votein the election but I really have no idea who for. I firmly believe they should have a "None of the above" box for people like me who haven't found any party that fits my views, ill informed though they may be.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:36,
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Well....
You could just "Not" vote and become part of "The Silent Majority"?
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Darklord, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:38,
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If I did that
"they" might think I was lazy or didn't care. I'm not, and I do.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:41,
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True
But what is the choice?
Being a politician seems to be a racket these days, it's like the easiest way to make a bit of money!
A psychotherapist friend once said to me "If you know somebody that wants to be a politician, you should really question their personality and honesty, they're all crooks, and it's an embedded lifestyle for them, and it's been going on for 100's of years"
Who do you trust? They're all a bunch of cnuts...
Sorry to confuse this issue with Facts...
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Darklord, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:52,
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I agree
but of course we have to do something. But my beef is things like: Neil Kinnock twice offered to lead and represent this country, and was soundly rejected. So he got a job representing this country anyway, just without any pesky elections.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 18:05,
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Did you vote Gordon Brown in?
No!
Did anyone vote Gordon Brown in?
No!
So, that's the politics (in this country)....
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Darklord, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 18:12,
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We need a "no" party
It's one of them whacky European ideas. Oh, those whacky Europeans. (Danish, I think).
You vote for the party, which has people on the list and is all legit and so on, then, once they win a seat in the election they just refuse to sit and you end up with an empty Parliament.
It's a bit of a double edged sword, as it may mean that parties such as the BNP have more real say in Parliament, but if No becomes the greatest minority, or even the majority, then you can say that any other party does not represent the people (greatest minority) or even has no right at all to make policy (majority, under FPTP at least).
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I just don't 'get' the whole EU thing, I'm afraid.
Europe is full to overflowing with people who HATE each other, and others who at best distrust and dislike. The idea we can have some sort of central control for the common good baffles me. Many of the unified parts of Europe have broken up. Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, the USSR. Scots hate the English. Basques and Portugese hate the Spanish. Bavarians see themselves as a separate country. Cyprus. Northern Ireland. France. Scandanavia.
How will a Norwegian EMP have a constructive opinion on farming in Scicily?
Sorry for the spelling, rant over.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 18:01,
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Europe: constantly at war 500bc-1945ad
EU: Never had a war in 50 years and no real chance of one.
That's reason enough, I'd say.
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Zuowan, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 18:23,
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Fair point
although the region has had plenty of violence, usually Nationalistic based.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 18:28,
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(Not that anyone will read this now anyway) but that's exactly why the EU was set up!
My mum started to do a PhD on the EU in the 70s when the people who'd originally set it up were still around and she recorded hours of interviews with the surviving ones. They'd set the wheels in motion immediately after the second world war because they realised that normal 'treaties' between countries were useless and easily broken, and we'd got into two devastating wars despite the political system being set up to prevent such things happening.
The unstated aim of the creation of the EU was to link all the countries of Europe in fairly mundane, petty, economic ways to do with trade and regulation so that in the future it would not be economically viable to go to war with each other, because we'd rely on each other for so many different things. In many ways it was a surreptitious bypassing of normal politics which is messy and quite often ineffective.
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Hampster Squared has stuff at www.tilla.co.uk, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 21:16,
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I don't think that's entirely true about everyone hating everyone
I would say that usually (at least inside the EU) it's a very loud minority stirring up.
When push comes to shove I don't think most Bavarians would really see a point in becoming truly independent (German individual states have far more freedoms than counties do remember!). Yes, there are armed groups in corsica, yes the SNP is worryingly powerful and yes the IRA exists, but if we're talking about splitting up one country after another then what's the point of countries at all?
Just because some loudmouthed buggers shout slogans against people from somewhere else doesn't mean those who don't give a fuck agree. Because they don't really give a fuck.
Also, I think there should be some sort of counterweight to the whole china/USA/Russia thing. A european block that has at least a semblence of unity and common policy in some areas (ie embargoes, common import tax etc etc) makes more sense to me than loads of relatively small (if rich) countries that can easily be defeated one by one.
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morrybyte made a subtle namechange at, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 20:06,
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the snp want scotland to be independent not out of europe
and the ira want ireland to be unified not out of europe.
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tickle I was away, Wed 3 Jun 2009, 0:02,
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I'm secretly hoping the BNP come round to canvasse me
while the missus is out.
That way I can be all sympathetic (I can trace my pure-white British genes back about 500 years) and get them to admit their true colours.
It'll be priceless to see them desperately try to back-pedal when my (mixed-race, pregnant) wife gets home.
My first words as she walks through the door would be, "so explain to us again your repatriation policy for my unborn son".
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teedyay, Tue 2 Jun 2009, 17:39,
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500 years?
That level of accuracy would require to be descended from nobility, surely? Most of which is Norman.
FUCK OFF, YOU FROG!
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Haha!
Admittedly it gets a bit tenuous a couple of hundred years back.
Not nobility, no - just a bunch of unimaginative Somerset farmers who didn't go very far (about 5 miles in 500 years, in fact), making tracing somewhat easier.
The frog insult may be correct: my surname derives either from the French or from a spelling mistake.
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teedyay, Wed 3 Jun 2009, 9:12,
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any facebookers, let's all link to this in our statuses, and encourage others to do the same
and twitter, i suppose would be good too.
Here's mine:
"Spacehog encourages everyone to watch this link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nBiCymtchA, a brilliant mini-documentary following the BNP on a canvasing campaign. They carried on recording secretly... Revealing, and a bit scary. 5 minutes long, give it a watch."
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spacehog, Wed 3 Jun 2009, 1:20,
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just watched it again. some commentary:
"We have to celebrate Muslim festivals. We can't celebrate our own festivals because it's supposedly racist". I'd like to know what on earth that is based on?
The segment where he tried to canvas a black woman was a fascinating encounter. I like how the bemused woman is clearly much smarter than that guy. Sees right through him. He reminds me of David Brent, in that he pretends to be talking to her, when really everything he's saying is intended for the camera. He can't even speak any sense most of the time.
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Him: "I don't know if you've, er, seen any of our literature from the British National Party?"
Her: "Yeah, I thought you're not for black people?"
Him (feigning surprise): "Well, where does it say that though?"
Her: "I assumed that you don't embrace coloured people."
Him (entering nonsense mode now, stumbling over his words, suggesting to me that this particular hypocritical line of attack is not something he's used to when there're no cameras around): "What... Well look, well - it's not a question. You're just saying to me... But where does it say in our manifesto that we don't embrace black people? It doesn't." (Of course it doesn't you tosser, if your party made their inherent and ostensible racism official, you would no longer be a party.)
Her: "Um, well I haven't actually read your manifesto. I've heard a lot about the party." (You're not alone there. This woman knows exactly what the BNP are really about, and isn't having any of it. Not that it'll matter to him one jot once this play is over.)
Him: "Ah. Yeah, but a lot of it comes from the Labour government, y'know, and their propaganda. The people... it's, a lot of it's propaganda. I mean I wouldn't have approached you if I thought, y'know, like you shouldn't vote for us."
Her: "Yea... No-one else has approached me, so I assumed it was true. 'Cos I've walked past here before."
Him: "Yeah. Well, I just approached you, didn't I?" (Correct, well done. And it was only for the camera's benefit.)
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I'd feel too sick if I transcribe the rest. At first I was confused about why he was canvassing a black woman in the first place. Then I quickly realised it was obviously all for show, simply pure-spun propaganda, as he then went on to directly prove (when he thought the camera and mic were off). This is clearly a very conscious and collective drive to make the BNP publicly appear as non-racist as is possible given their infamy. This would be in order to get into Europe and unite with other national fascist parties from other countries. In order to gain more money and power, fast. Something which I personally find unthinkable.
I don't think it will happen, though. Every country with a democracy has a similar ratio of extreme nationals in the country, although of course the USA pushes that average up rather. If they're genuinely trying to win over black British voters it's almost laughable, but I doubt that this is what's really driving this campaign. The question is whether a unity with other parties would make a major difference to the balance of power, politically or financially. Either way, it's nothing British.
Facebook groups:
"Nothing British about the BNP" (currently 8,127 members)
www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=185663495611
"1,000,000 United Against the BNP (currently 200,344 members)
www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8644741474
Perhaps we can actually make a difference here.
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spacehog, Wed 3 Jun 2009, 2:37,
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Make a difference?
By doing what, exactly - joining a group of people who would never have voted BNP anyway just to say you're not going to vote BNP? How does that change anything?
Let's face it, they're never going to get any real power - it's just more scare-mongering.
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agreed.
but i've got a a few friends who surprised me by voting BNP, and it's confusing to know how to react, i guess.
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spacehog, Sat 13 Jun 2009, 0:58,
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To be fair
Nick Griffin is the best one eyed welsh racist convicted criminal we've got
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