Whats that coming over the hill?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 20:07,
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Absolutely fucking bang on target
Come on lefties, do you want to go down whining, or do you want to fucking fight for what you believe. Because all I've seen so far is self pity and it's really not flattering.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:12,
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Lefties
believe that they represent the best interests of the working class, then feel betrayed by actual real working class people
Happened in the 80s, happened the other week, will happen again. Hence the crisis of faith - it's hard when people undermine your theory of what those people should be.
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Hampster Squared has stuff at www.tilla.co.uk, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:06,
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That's the best description of a lefty I've ever read. Bravo!
I'm still unashamedly lefty though!
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Me too
raised in the hard left, softened as I'm my own adult now, but firmly on that side. I think this explains why lefties are always so glum though...
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Hampster Squared has stuff at www.tilla.co.uk, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:19,
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I'm lefty, and working class.
As are many folk I know.
Although I see where you're coming from.
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sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:35,
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That's what happens if you won't listen to the concerns of the people you pretend to represent
No one bothered to explain to the self employed plumbers and plasterers why access to the single market is vital to them... you know, if they fancied driving all the way from Oldham to do a spot of plastering in Frankfurt, they could!
All the fuss about plasterers and plumbers from the EU moving to the UK and undercutting their rates was correctly brushed under the carpet with the righteous broom of anti-fa.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 13:13,
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They believe you shouldn't just lie to stupid people to get their vote.
Which is why they lose so often.
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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 15:21,
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I think there is a lot of whining from both sides
A mix of self-pity and buyer's remorse
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:26,
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I think there's a lot less buyers remorse than you might hope
As the video said, yes a few people didn't know what they were voting for, but you can't claim all 17 million didn't.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:29,
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What is going to be really interesting
Is how UKIP plays in a pre-brexit gennelec. If you look beyond the referendum, UKIP are in the classic sense national socialists. Lots of 'we'll look after you mate' socialist policies such as nationalising the railways along with radical social conservatism - anti gay marriage, anti immigrant etc etc. This is where the fault line lies in the Labour Party. The vanguard maybe corbynites but the old northern working class don't seem to buy his internationalist socialism. They give a fuck about Palestine. They hate 'muzzies' and imgrants. Politics is swerving hard left and hard right and not in the most obvious ways.
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:42,
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They've said they're going after labour voters.
Also 2/3 of Asian people and 3/4 Black people voted out apparently so I expect the next leader to be more centralist.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 5:59,
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You're mixed up 2/3 Asian and 3/4 of Black People voted remain, not leave.
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Peej, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 8:56,
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He did say 'apparently' though mate.
He can't help it if he's told himself the wrong information.
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Pig Bodine., Tue 5 Jul 2016, 10:34,
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A lot of minority groups voted leave
because they were promised "fairer" immigration. We still need foreign workers, and this levels the playing fields for people from all around the world to find work here in a point based system. Rather than favouring European workers.
That said, those numbers are on their head. But still mind boggling.
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 10:53,
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Well the BBC article I read on that from the other day has removed the quote and yes you're right.
It is the other way round going to the original data.
Have a medal.
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That wasn't sarcasm btw.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 11:35,
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Fuck
I seem to have had a political opinion. I should have known better.
One thing is pretty clear, those 17 million people had a variety of good reasons to vote that way. Not all of them realistic or compatible with the other options.
I understand why the majority of the whining would come from the Remainers, but I would also argue it is utterly incorrect to define those guys as "left".
On a personal self-pitying note to help your argument, I have had three people (family and two friends) tell me that "One door closes, another opens", or "I will find a better job", or "you didn't like that job anyway" - when I told them my team's jobs are in a limbo because a great deal of our funding is distributed from Europe. It isn't like we are researching which is the most effective side to lick a stamp on.
In the way Boris is asking for people to say positive things, I truly hoped someone would lead the leave campaign and give any idea of how this makes our lives better - because if there was anyone with a shred of credibility, I would have that scrap to hold onto.
So it is probably going to not save us a penny, and make our lives (mine in particular) a bit shitter for the rest of my working life. At least we have done the rest of Europe (Germany, France and Italy aside) a massive favour.
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:45,
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Your last par
Is bang on. I am a remainer but for rather obscure geo-political reasons and I'm pretty sure most posters here would think me very right wing (if socially liberal).
The Eurocrats have made a total dogs dinner of everything from the creation of the euro to handling of financial crisis and onward to failing to recognise the reality of the brexit threat (not as if they were alone there - I was totally shocked when I woke up that morning).
It isn't left and right - or even young and old. It is those who rely on globalism for their future versus those who have been left like flotsam on the beach and seen their views and feelings ignored for a generation by Modern greats grads who know better.
It's whirlwind reaping time all around, I'm afraid.
Your family are probably right that you'll go on and find something better - probably out of Europe. But if any of them have made the mistake of being old, stupid or uneducated they are first against the wall we just built.
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The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 22:12,
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Sixth form debating society speaks
Sigh.
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 23:01,
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Maybe hairdresser change could help?
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:20,
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Yes!
If only I could have all the information I consume shouted at me by an angry one-trick gob-shite.
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Austerity is scare word for British.
They just fucking hate the idea. So the idea itself is used as bludgeon. You say "Tory austerity" and I hear "I'm a little douchebag short and stout, here's my handle and here's my spout."
And again, as with similar discussions in the U.S., all weeds and no clear playing field, that is, nothing at all about representation in your so-called representative arrangement. Stuff it with talk about fear when you're deaf to talk about disgust. And Stayers fail to defend a big fat layer of governance slathered on top your own and taking it's place, remote and disinterested to your concerns, you are commodities to them, labor as numbers and not as people. The best government is the least government, small government closest to home where your voices are heard and where your voices count. And not blithely handed over to some set of fat cows, unworthy agents, who flatly do not care about you, your electric teapots, your toasters, the shape size and acceptable weight and color of your bananas.
You are so, so, so much better off making your own arrangements, and if they want to be tight with you then fine. Have them earn your loyalty and you theirs. You'll have your due respect.
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kombu dashi, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 6:26,
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please divert your rage
to buy my filthy capitalist T-shirts, we've got 3 new ones "fuck 2016" "eton mess" and "it's not Eu, it's me"
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