some little known tidbits
you may not know that I've picked up over the years from books by the likes of Joseph Campbell, Alexander Cannon etc

the Gospel of Mark in the Sinai Bible carries the first and oldest story of Jesus in history - but it makes no mention of...
1. The virgin birth
2. JC being " the son of God" in the opening narrative
and 3. No mention of any supernatural resurrection

not only are they absent in this, the oldest bible in the world, but they are also absent in the 2nd Oldest, The Vatican Bible (Codex Vaticanus) and the 3rd Oldest, the Alexandrian Bible... all of these points were later additions

the single reference which scholars used to determine Jesus was a carpenter was a mistranslation from the orginal aramaic word 'naggara' (and greek 'tekton' or builder/ carpenter) - naggara actually means 'master builder' or 'mason'

Circe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe was the ancient greek Godess who would 'hypnotise men and bring them into her house" ... circe became Kirk en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk which became Kirch which became Church
(circe (where we get circus) - round - kirkos "a circle," )

www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=kirk&searchmode=none

also John Allegro puts an interesting case for the basis of christianity in 'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross' www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Cross-Christianity-Fertility/dp/0340128755

Christ comes from Christos meaning 'oil' and 'annointed one' - which derives from the practice of annointing the Pharaoh's penis with oil - literally a 'nob head'

also alot of heraldic symbology can be traced to the twelve tribes of Israel (three lions/ unicorn/ lion of Judah - alot of the symbols used by the Empire of The Crown...nope, not that Crown the other Crown ) - which in turn is astro theology etc ... the four cherubim of the bible just so happen to be the main four tribes of the twelve, again, lion, man, eagle and ox (astro theology again)- when you learn this stuff you notice it in everything especially government insignia/ royal coats of arms etc

mentalist nonsense it may be, but we're living in a society entrenched in this mentalist nonsense

also the symbology and origins of the Pope's Mita, the black square and the the black robes and motarboard graduates wear are quite humourous too



I believe I've said too much
* Punjab, Kato, to the tin foil mobile! for our escape!
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 8:45, 29 replies)

Fun and all, but undermined by your own links.
"Both words, kirk and church, derive from the Koine Greek κυριακόν (δωμα) (kyriakon (dōma)) meaning Lord's (house)..."

Maybe if you bullshit without references in future, or provide only references to completely unrelated topics, you can suspend the illusion for longer?

I think I'm sticking with the law of fives: 4 cherubim + 1 bible = 5! 4 main tribes + 12 tribes - 1 coat of arms = 15 which is three fives! The Sacred Mushroom = 5 syllables!
(Skittlemcfluff ......................, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 9:15, closed)

from The Online Etymology Dictionary ...

kirk : c.1200, northern England and Scot. dial. form of church, from O.N. kirkja "church," from O.E. cirice (see church).

LINK
www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=kirk&searchmode=none

circus : c.1380, from L. circus "ring," applied by Romans to circular arenas for performances and contests (esp. the Circus Maximus), from or akin to Gk. kirkos "a circle," from PIE *kirk- from base *(s)ker- "to turn, bend." First attested use for "traveling show" is 1791.

CHURCH: FORMS: (a) cirice, cyrice, chiriche, churiche, chereche, (b) CIRCE, cyrce, chyrce, cirke, etc., etc.,
The ulterior derivation has been keenly disputed. The L. circus, and a Gothic word kélikn 'tower, upper chamber' (app. originally Gaulish) have both been proposed (the latter suggested by the Alemannic chilihha), but are set aside as untenable; and there is now a general agreement among scholars in referring it to the Greek word, properly kurion adj. 'of the Lord, dominicum, dominical' (f. Kurios lord), which occurs, from the 3rd century at least, used substantively (sc. doma, or the like) = 'house of the Lord', as a name of the Christian house of worship. Of this the earliest cited instances are in the Apostolical Constitutions (II. 59), a 300, the edict of Maximinus (303-13), cited by Eusebius (Eccl. Hist. ix. 10) a 324, the Councils of Ancyra 314 (Canon 15), Neo-Caesarea 314-23 (Can. 5), and Laodicea (Can. 28). Thenceforward it appears to have been in fairly common use in the East: e.g., Constantine named several churches built by him Kuriaka (Eusebius De Laud. Const. xvii)," Oxford English Dictionary

also...twelve tribes of Israel (compare to 4 Cherubim images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&ei=fgLKSe__O8eQjAf3vbjNAw&resnum=1&q=cherubim&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)

incidentally where we also get 'NEWS' from (north, east, west and south)
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 9:18, closed)

NEWS
Yes. That's why the French for "news" is neso, and the Russian is svyz.


In turn, "north" is an acronym for "No One Really Trowels Here"; trowels are used by builders. Builders are a bit like masons. Therefore it's the Freemasons who invented the compass, and anyone who uses a map is perpetuating their control of the world. The word "Noone" indicates the exclusivity of the set up.

"Set up" is an interesting phrase. Apart from being obviously Masonic (too!), it is a code for "Someone Eats Truly Unappetising Pasta". Noone knows what this means. It's obviously a secret kept from us by the, er, Masons...

Except, of course, that this is nonsense.

And your second stab at etymology - even allowing that the etymological fallacy isn't a fallacy - flies in the face of your first.


Right. I'm not going to rise to this any more. You're wrong, and I have better things to do.

Incidentally - if you're going to Riverghost's London bash, Archie and I would love to meet you...
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:24, closed)

from teh guy
who dismisses John Harris' lecture at the recent Lawful Rebellion Conference on statute law and common law on the basis that 'he regards people who travel to Stoke as idiots"

bravo

there's no doubt you're an intelligent bloke but supreme egotistical arrogance can be the most debilitating form of ignorance sometimes

seriously, bravo
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:30, closed)

*must not take bait... must not take bait... mu.... ach, fuck it.*
I dismissed the Harris lecture because it made no sense, and, after a bit of googling, it seems to have been given at a conference sponsored by organisations with which I disagree - you could practically smell the UKIP-and-then-some influence.

The Stoke jibe was just that: a jibe. Really. I happen to detest the place with a passion, and I'll take any opportunity I can to bad-mouth it in whatever way I can.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:43, closed)

no, you are wrong
It’s not the Masons, any fool knows that, it's the Illuminati that actually rule the world and the Queen is a third world coke dealer.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:47, closed)

Interesting
But you need to get out more........ :)
(Pork2311, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 9:53, closed)

^This
.
( girlinthehole, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:13, closed)

:)
posting on this site is a self indulgence I rarely have time for these days

private message me and I'll tell you just how much 'getting out' I have to do these days with various projects
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Thu 26 Mar 2009, 6:36, closed)

You had me hooked by the first few lines.
The Gospel of Mark facts are all you really need to punch a neat hole through any religious argument.

I can't see how anyone could deny that the Bible was written around how people perceived things at the time, and that much of what's written is no longer relevant. The number of silly rules like enslaving your neighbours or selling your daughter, etc., clearly show this.

Adding the obvious plot holes and misinterpretations, additional text to suit the current monk/king/church, and you've something that really should be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

It's when you point this out that the God botherers start talking about "interpretation" and not taking it literally (unless they want to persecute someone, that is).
(Kliper Filllets Getting noticed by twats on the internet since, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 9:56, closed)

I wondered when you'd appear...
:)
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:27, closed)

Hahaha
The Goat on QOTW. This could get good.
( The Coast Of Yemen, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:36, closed)

Welcome back Mr Goat
I've missed you :0)
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:41, closed)

hey fella
"Mr" is an insult, it's a legalese term (a character of legal status) denoting proof of 'person', a corporate fiction - the instrument through which we unknowingly consent to contract with statutory acts

just Goat would do (or 'The God Of All Things' if you want to be pedantic) ;)
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:45, closed)

No it isn't.
It's an honorific - a term of respect.

Sometimes the world really is as simple as it appears. Honest.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:58, closed)

42

( jim_bob can herd cats., Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:26, closed)

yep
everything is as it appears

public owned authorities are not trading as private corporations (ie. revenue collection agencies with private share holders run for profit) on Dunn & Bradstreet ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dun_and_Bradstreet) and Companies House (most local councils, police authorities, Bank of England (trading as "old lady of thread Needle Street"), House of Lords etc)

oh wait....

screen grabs supposedly public authorities trading as private companies on Dunn & Bradstreet website listings

go to
1 minute 35 seconds for dunn & bradstreet listings into this link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jtxpp4rQo

1min 10 seconds and 10 min 02 seconds for dunn & bradstreet listings into this link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4b0n3W0B6E

Investigation into Lancashire County Council, the Blues and Twos Credit Union Ltd and Lancashire Police.
www.tpuc.org/node/588

nothing to worry about all perfectly above board , I have some beach front property in The Democratic Republic of the Congo if you'd like to buy it?
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:27, closed)

...
And that has precisely what to do with the use of the term "mister"?
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:35, closed)

Mister has legal character status as with DR, professor, Sir etc - no need to take my word for it look it up - it has to, to be recognised in legal documents/ contracts etc ever notice that little box before your name on official forms? (status / statutory)

and your reaction to the Dunn & Bradstreet info is.....
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:41, closed)

Look -
Even granted, arguendo, that a title like "Mr" has a specific legal meaning, it doesn't follow that that's all there is to it. It's also - and primarily - a salutation. That "and primarily" is vital.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:43, closed)

As for the Dunn and Bradstreet thing...
The "evidence" you've presented doesn't strike me as amounting to anything at all.

I have no idea what the legal status of a number of public bodies is. Nor do I care. However, what you say simply isn't convincing; and, while it's possible that there's something sinister going on, it's more likely that there isn't. A big claim like yours requires big evidence - which you've conspicuously not provided.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:46, closed)

"Nor do I care"

that's obvious

"A big claim like yours "

a big claim like mine? or the fact that they are there on Dunn & Bradstreet's website I even took the time to direct you specifically to the screengrabs proving the claims

it's also apparent you never read the "Investigation into Lancashire County Council, the Blues and Twos Credit Union Ltd and Lancashire Police"

like I said the type of ignorance and indifference born of supreme arrogance and egotism

saying that, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the debate

and now I really must go, to be honest I post this stuff not to try to convince you, it's obvious you are unwilling to even face it when it's there in black and white ..or blue and yellow... but there are the odd posters who read this and may want to investigate it for themselves

bye ;0)
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:50, closed)

You're deliberately misreprenting what I said.
The bit about me not caring is simple parsimony. In the absence of anything to convince me that I should worry about the way an aspect of the world works, I won't. I'm not going to waste my energy getting jumpy when I see no reason to.

Your big claim is that there's a hidden system of government or something like that. The screengrabs you've produced don't back up your claim. Nor is it plausible that, if there was anything being deliberately obscured, it'd be so easy to find.

*gives up*
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:56, closed)

bit of cross board pollination for you
I answered this more fully on the other board

www.b3ta.com/links/295290
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 14:15, closed)

Bloody Hell!
I was only being polite!!!

*makes note never to call anyone MR again*
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:36, closed)

;0)
had my tongue firmly in cheek
;)
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 11:40, closed)

And
don;t you fucking forget it!

:)

Besides, you can shout peoples second name in such a way as to feel like an old school teacher telling a kid off...
(Fuckarma was masturbating into your handbag, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 12:21, closed)

circe became Kirk
I was right about the 72 virgins and the Star Trek fan club then...
( Stevedix http://www.stevedix.de/blog, Wed 25 Mar 2009, 12:49, closed)

Oi! - Mister -
what about Ben Leopard(Ben Pantera if you will)?
Surely you can knock out some challanging speculation on him?
( Larry Vest One day at a time, sweet Jesus, FFS., Wed 25 Mar 2009, 14:06, closed)