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Who were your heroes or villains of the last year, and why? Who inspired you? Who had you kicking the cat across the room? They don't have to be well known, you might even want to laud the achievements of your binman. (Note that "Nick Clegg nuff said" answers puts you straight onto our naughty list)

(, Thu 29 Dec 2011, 15:05)
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Hero: Margaret Thatcher
...for surviving another year, so we can all continue to watch her suffer something of the pain, misery and despair that she caused the rest of us.

I hope she survives for decades.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 15:30, 22 replies)
I hope she doesn't
...I'm dying for a piss.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 16:14, closed)
I know, it's hard to know how to pitch it
On the one hand, there will clearly be a queue to piss on her grave akin to a nude appearance by Karen Gillan at the London Eye; on the other hand, a long, lingering painful old age is the least she deserves.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 16:25, closed)

I've said this elsewhere and before, so I'll say it again here: Thatcher will, like Diana before her, be buried on an island, in a lake, on private property, and nobody will be able to visit.

The alternative - that her grave will be visitable and piss-on-able by the public, is inconceivable. They're going to have a hard enough time suppressing from the TV news the street parties and celebrations when she finally carks it. There's no way they could ignore the massive outpouring of hatred that would inevitably desecrate her grave.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 16:35, closed)
Well, that's assuming that she doesn't turn into a 50-metre high ravening demon and descend cackling into the pits of hell

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 16:36, closed)
That'd never happen.
Meters are French.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 21:59, closed)
I've said it before
We'll need some sort of system to allow the grave dancers to do their thing for the first week or so before the pissers and shitters get their go.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 19:00, closed)
Hers will be a unique grave
It'll be fitted with a flush.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 19:29, closed)

*Raises hand*

Please Sir, may I ask a question? I'm in my late 30's and was therefore about 16 when Mrs Thatcher stepped down. I don't have much recollection of what she did in her time in office -a bit about stikes perhaps.

So to have such strong opinions on Mrs Thatcher you must be;

A) A fair few years older than me in order to have experienced her time in office
B) Have studied politics or just read around the subject to have some knowledge of her performance as Prime Minister, after the event
C) Be jumping on the 'Thatcher is Shit' bandwagon so you can hang out with the cool kids

Or is there a D)?
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 21:18, closed)

D) You lived in fairyland autism until you turned 16, only being aware of yourself and your immediate surroundings.
E) They've just made a movie about her recently and they even managed to make Meryl Streep look good compared to Maggie.
I am of a similar vintage & I can (vaguely) remember quite a few of the cunty things that Dennis's Husband did.
EDIT: & I didn't even live in the UK.

Also I think there should be a "Thatchers' Grave Defilers" Yahoo Group! Grave-pishers ftw!
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 22:15, closed)
To be honest
I was 15 when thatcher got her arse kicked out of number 10. I knew why I hated her then, and I know why I hate her now. I guess I was just paying attention.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 22:16, closed)

Fair enough, I guess I was having too much fun with Transformers and Ninja Turtles.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 7:58, closed)
We'll take that as
a 'C' then.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 8:37, closed)
A, unfortunately
I am not a hateful person. I try to bimble through life with a gormless grin and a hamster-cheeked cheerfulness. But having been young in the 1980s, I reserve a special dark place in my heart for the architects that disastrous time. Thatcher and her minions did more damage to the fabric and morale of this country than Hitler ever managed.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 9:22, closed)
I'm 34,
and can remember writing an article on the poll tax riots and how they might end Thatcher's years as PM, for a piece of English homework (it shared news space in my fictional paper with a spudgun incident, both hard-hitting stories), whilst at secondary school.
Given that I was pretty ignorant regarding politics/current affairs, you must have been spectacularly ill-informed. Did your parents switch off the TV whenever Ben Elton came on?
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 9:35, closed)

No, I had access to the news on Tv and papers but I personally wasn't politically aware enough in my teenage years to be able to form an opinion of Thatchers years.

If you fall into category A or B then fill your boots with the Thatcher hatred. Falling into category C seems a bit silly.

As for the concept of Poll tax was it really all that bad? Surely a system of taxation where households pay for 'general' services such as bin collection, with an element of individuals paying for 'people' services such as libraries might work.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 10:58, closed)
I see.
You're one of the "I don't have children so why should my tax money be spent on schools" mob, aren't you?

I was astoundingly politcally ignorant, in my youth, but not picking up on the anti-Thatcher sentiment of the time is quite an acheivement. Go you.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 11:16, closed)

No, I have kids and have no problem paying for schools, libraries, social care, emergency services, etc. I was just suggesting an alternative form of taxation that may be more transparent than throwing all services into a bundle and charging by the household. Use it as a discussion point and come up with your own ideas.

And my original point was that picking up on the anti-Thacher sentiment of the time, rather than making your own reasoned decision (which I don't feel I can being as I was far to young to remember her 'early' years), is stupid.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 12:09, closed)
I want her to stay alive so very, very badly
because if she dies I won't get to kick the box out from under her feet and watch her twitch and dangle.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 22:18, closed)
Hur hur
Reminds me of Saddam - apparently, one of the last things he said, to the executioner, was "Do you call this bravery?". I just wish the executioner had replied "No, I call this garbage disposal."
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 9:31, closed)
"And this, Mrs Thatcher
is your state funeral"
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 13:14, closed)
Oh fuck off
And go and live in Cuba
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 23:59, closed)
It's almost impossible to form a positive opinion of her.
I read Alan Clark's diaries a few year ago and even though he spends pages devoted admiring her fawningly, she still comes across as bereft of even a ha'porth of compassion for her fellow citizens.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 12:27, closed)

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