CombiChrist are fucking awesome
If you've actually started listening to dubstep then I see it as my mission to help you
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 14:53, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

having skipped through that one song I heartily disagree

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 14:56, Reply)

I think a back to basics of electronic music is called for
I suggest you start with "True Faith" by New Order and work your way forwards.

*awaits Monty smackdown*
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 14:58, Reply)

You've just reminded of the horror
that is George "I used to have to pretend to be straight in order to sell records to girls" Michael's absolutely hideous cover version of that.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:02, Reply)

Oh god, don't
I haven't heard such a terrible cover in years. The man can sing well enough; what was he doing slathering auto-tune all over the damn thing?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:07, Reply)

Here I am.
New Order are insipid, pointless drivel - 'dance' music for weedy student gaylords who like The Smiths. This is also true of the Happy Mondays (admittedly hilarious people) and other 'Madchester' cunts. It's a load of fucking shit.

A back to basics of electronic music should take you back to Suicide and The Silver Apples, through Kraftwerk, New York electro, into early Detroit techno masters like Juan Atkins and from thence into Acid and hardcore...and should not go anywhere near True pissing Faith. Fucking Techno fucking tronic were better than those shitarses.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:02, Reply)

What about Whigfield and the Scandanavian sub movement of the mid-ninties

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:04, Reply)

Also put a Donk on it

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:05, Reply)

I imagine that you have all of these rants
already prepared and saved on your computer, filed alphabetically, ready to whip out at the right moment.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:05, Reply)

Certainly not.
Each one is lovingly crafted from scratch each time.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:10, Reply)

I have to know where this new sig has come from
as everything about it suggests it is not your own work. Japan were an axis power, you like them.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:11, Reply)

The FB page of insults to Japan after the Tsunami
Also see: "payback for Pearl harbor!"
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:12, Reply)

Oh dear
That's particularly worrying. The idea that a human being could think it was remotely OK to post such a thing... why aren't they on B3ta?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:17, Reply)

Unrelated
but apparently the Chinese government has just banned all film and TV output about time travel.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:19, Reply)

That's because they've cracked it
if you are the second child in you family you'll wake up tomorrow not existing
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:22, Reply)

and this is why we love you.
tailored bile. Who can ask for more. It's like we have our very own racist Charlie Brooker.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:12, Reply)

STOP SHATTERING MY ILLUSIONS!

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:13, Reply)

Eh, why not
TTER GG
ILL +AN IONS
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:16, Reply)

Brilliant

(Bazongaloid, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:18, Reply)

Don't forget A-ha and PSB there.
You can't just selectively work though the "hipper" artists, you know.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:10, Reply)

Oh, also
the fact you don't like them doesn't change the fact that they are considered a seminal act in a certain genre of electronica.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:11, Reply)

This is MONTY
Do you really expect his response to be much else than "I don't like them. Therefore they are fucking shit"?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:12, Reply)

of course not
sometimes I just feel obliged to step in.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:13, Reply)

I appreciate it
Love a bit of New Order, even though their association with "Madchester", as Monty points out, makes them cunts by proxy
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:15, Reply)

the madchester association isn't really their fault
they pre-dated it and properly cut their "dance" teeth in NY in the 80s rather than Manchester. One of the best British bands of the last 30 years IMO.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:20, Reply)

I quite agree
You also make a good point about Madchester. I am struggling to think of another good manc band right now, it's responsible for more musical hate crime than any other city
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:27, Reply)

That's unfair. I'm happy to be a great deal more specific about why they're shit -
and/or why other contemporaneous acts were infinitely superior.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:19, Reply)

A Certain Ratio were fucking BRILLIANT
I don't mean to suggest that you can't back up your arguments, merely that you have a very black and white viewpoint and are rarely willing to concede ground. I will admit that your knowledge of music is vastly greater than mine and as such you are entitled to have your opinion respected.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:23, Reply)

since there is no calibrated musical scale of quality, though
Any reason you can give for them being shit and others superior is merely an opinion, though, still.

Without New Order - yes, Madchester would have been different and that that might have prevented some dross from being released, but that's true of any emerging music genre. But there would also probably be no Prodigy, Orbital, Massive Attack etc.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:24, Reply)

I'm sorry but the last sentence of this contains nonsense.
I have to do some work now so I cannot go into detail but I could draw you a musical timeline of Liam Howlett's musical influences that led to the sound of the Prodigy and New Order are not on it. My mate Hamish was their photographer for a bit so I've met him a few times and have exchanged formative influences over drinks.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:34, Reply)

I said probably, not certainly
again, I don't know them, so I can't know. but I've read interviews in the mists of time where they've talked about the influence of the whole guitar/electronic thing, I'm sure.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:39, Reply)

Considered a seminal act in a certain genre of electronica.

'Shit, indie dance' being that certain genre.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:14, Reply)

well, in your opinion.
Don't make it right. They were massive in the rave scene, for a start.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:17, Reply)

No they weren't.
I went to fucking hundreds of raves all over the country, from free parties on farmland to aircraft hangers, to warehouses...never once did I hear New Order. They were not remotely massive on the rave scene - they were popular in the Hacienda* and that's about it.


*coincidentally chock-full of weedy indie student benders into 'Madchester'. My brother lived there at the time and I went a few times. Compared with the proper mental raves on the M25 circuit it was rubbish. Fucking piano house bollocks.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:22, Reply)

I refuse to believe that you can say with absolute certainty that you never heard New Order at a rave,
if only because I've been at raves where I wouldn't have known if St Winifred's School Choir had made a surprise appearance
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:24, Reply)

You aren't me. Never once did I hear New Order.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:25, Reply)

That's because as soon as 'Fine Time' came on
you'd cover your ears and run around shouting "lalalalalalanotlistening".
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:27, Reply)

Fair play
I can barely remember who I was on most of these occasions, let alone what was playing. But, as is common knowledge, your capacity for larging it is unparalleled.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:28, Reply)

This is so.
It's my life's work.

*cries*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:29, Reply)

you went to more than me
so obviously I'll bow to your knowledge. But their stuff was massively common, particularly mixed, in the ones I went to.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:26, Reply)

YOU'RE massively common.


I'm just being a knob now. Sorry.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:27, Reply)

haha. Well played.
I'm not trying to out music you, I know that would be stupid. And I get why you don't like them, but they were very influential, even if they did influence a lot of crap as well as good.

/incidentally, have you really never heard them at a rave? because there's a really common about 20 second cut from bizzare love triangle that I've heard shitloads to move from xxxx to yyyy (I don't really do dance music so i'm buggered if I know which tracks)
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:31, Reply)

Not once. Honestly.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 15 Apr 2011, 15:34, Reply)