Do you really dislike all modern art
or do you mean stuff more like minimalism? I mean Cezanne, Gauguin, van Gogh and Picasso etc are all most definitely "modern art"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:09, 4 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Are they?
I don't mind some of their stuff. I don't like things done these days, like a rope around a chair; title: Untitled. Yeah, not even the artist knew what it was, eh?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

There is usually much more
behind it, but it takes work to get it, like complicated music
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:12, Reply)

No, don't start with that
why an umbrella is suddenly art, and costs millions, when the artist bought it in Primark for a few pounds? Only because it has the name of the artist on it. It's like buying a signed picture of Rooney.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:15, Reply)

see my post above about what people pay for it
that's the dealers' faults. The artists are often trying to work something out conceptually and as such it takes work to follow a line of reasoning. I'm not saying it's all good, mind, or that everyone should like it, but it doesn't make it not art
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:18, Reply)

it really isn't as simple as that.
You can say that you don't like it, absolutely. I'll happily admit that I neither like nor "get" some art, but tht doesn't mean it isn't good or that it required no skill. In the same way that, say, Vivaldi leaves me entirely cold, but that doesn't make it bad music.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

Right
I agree with you. Some people like punk, some like indie music, that's fine. However, that's all music, and noone would tell you you're insensitive because you don't like one of them (you might think it, but there isn't a group of artists telling all of us which music is good)

With this type of art, I've heard so many times: "You don't like it because you have no culture or a feeling for art" Really? I don't like it because it's crap. Easy like that. I think it's crap, it's crap to me. There's no group of artists to tell me what's good or not.

Now, if there's a nice drawing, made with a lot of detailed and that, that group of intellectuals can tell you that that's not art anymore, as it's obsolete. Why? It's still nice, who told them they have the right and the wrong about what's art?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

people
do say that shit about music. See Monty for details
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Yes
He's not universally considered a genius on the matter, is he? Nobody in TV tells you what's good or bad music, as we clearly have different tastes. But they do about drawings and sculptures. Why?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Plenty of TV, radio and written media is opinionated about music.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:45, Reply)

And you cand find all type of opinions out there
in favour or against what you like. How many art critics go out there saying "that white exposition was awful" Noone, because the other critics would send the dogs for him.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:47, Reply)

In the same way that much media only writes positive reviews of music
because it drives the industry and the buyers. In the same way as music these galleries have to appeal to a broad audience, in the same way as in the music section in HMV you have all types of audience, young, old, metal, pop, dance etc. If you don't like country and western, you walk past the country and western aisle. Saying HMV is shit because it stocks some country and western is defeating the purpose of HMV and the enjoyment you can get from all the other types of music available there.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

Have you ever listened to The Arctic Monkeys?
I've never seen a review of them that's not been wanky fawning of the highest order, yet they make most right-thinking peoples ears bleed.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:55, Reply)

strangely, their singer did some good stuff
under the name Last Shadow Puppets.

Arctic Monkeys are wank though. See also: the Strokes. Nothing new there, yet they got rave reviews. Despite being very ordinary.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:57, Reply)

people who say you don't like it because you don't have a feeling for art
are fucking idiots. But be careful - you don't like it because you THINK it's crap. Not because it is crap. That's perfectly fine because almost all forms of art are subjective, so you're totally entitled to not like it or think it is crap, but that doesn't mean it actually IS crap.

And there is a group of artists telling all of us what music is good and what is shit right now, they are called critics. Or Monty. It's exactly the same as art.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Music critics
are a lot more relaxed about it. They won't say: if you don't like it you know nothing about music. Art critics, on the other hand...

And, anyway, art should include music, books, films... not only paintings and sculptures. They're pretentious and patronizing.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:46, Reply)

man, you've not met the right music critics ;)
They are worse than anyone.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

especially the cunt at 24/7 magazine in plymouth

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:56, Reply)

You might be right
I try to avoid critics in general. In that case, I'd be upset with them too, as much as with the art critics.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:03, Reply)

my brother is a pretty good artist
but he was fond of taking the piss out of that kind of thing. He did an exhibition piece called untitled. It's just an 8' square blue canvas with the word "untitled" neatly painted on it in white.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:16, Reply)

You see?
I'd have to see it, but I think it's the type of think I'd take the piss out. Sorry.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

no, that's the point, you'd get it.
he did it to take the piss. Almost all of his art he exibited takes the piss. He paints what you would call "proper" pictures on commission for friends, he is a talented classical painter. But that wouldn't get you exhibited or get you a good fine art degree, because it doesn't show enough imagination or willingness to stretch artistic boundaries. In the same way you can't make waves in science by repeating what someone else has already done.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:38, Reply)

Get away from this place with all your sense and shit.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:42, Reply)

It's all just a facade
I'm really all about the breasts.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:43, Reply)

*high-fives*

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

*thunderous mammary tens*

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:45, Reply)

I suspect she means stuff like
Emin and Hurst.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

it's usually conceptual art people mean by that
and much of what people call modern art is really Post Modern
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

That
What you said (I'm crap with art, I know)

In general, I get fed up in art Museums. British museums are ok, because you pay what you want and spend as much time as you want. Now, having paid 50€ to get into the Uffizi meant seeing it all in one day. There's only a number of Virgin Marys I can see without feeling sick, and that number is a lot below the 1000 drawings of her they have in the museum.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:14, Reply)

i felt the same way about The Louvre
it was like eating too much pizza. after a while you just want a rest and no more pizza
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:16, Reply)

I love how everyone goes into the Louvre
goes to see the Mona Lisa, has a coffee and then goes. There are actually other bits of art there.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

there were a lot of
Rembrants when I went
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

Exactly
I don't mind if I can leave whenever I want, but... we had to queue for 2h to get the ticket (that's after booking it online, so only had to do the short queue). By the time we got to the Venus, I only wanted to tear all the paintings in front of me.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

it's 50 euro to get into the Uffizi?
fucking hell.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Or more,
if they have an exposition, which you can't opt out. And if you don't want to be all day on the queue, you book online, having to pay a booking and reservation fee, so you onely queue 2h when you get to the museum. In low season they're a bit cheaper.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:24, Reply)

christ on a fucking bike
I was planning on going there. Screw that for a game of soldiers, I'll spend it on food and wine instead.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

That's what I thought when I left
we spent +100€ in museums in Florence; they were kind of ok. The Uffizi... Mark enjoyed it, don't take me wrong. You can go past the 1000 virgins in 5 seconds and get to the nicer paintings quick. I keep thinking I should have let him go there and spend my money drinking wine and eating cheese and parma ham, and enjoying the beautiful weather.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:34, Reply)

There was a young poet from Florence
Who hated all art with abhorrence
He got slightly tipsy
Went down the Uffizi
And peed on the paintings in torrents.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

I went to the Uffizi last year
There's tonnes of great art in there. Don't remember it costing 50 euros though, think we paid more like 8 euros. Some of Leonardo's stuff was awesome, same with Bottochelli (sp?). Mind you I wasn't as bothered by the number of virgin marys, what I found weird was the amount of paintings of St Sebastian. I mean, how many different ways are there to paint a guy tied to a post shot through with arrows?

Anyway, yeah - like I said my problem was just that there was so much to see... We spent all day there, could eisily have spent a couple of days or longer and not seen everything.
(Fredz A graveyard of hopes, a dump of ambition, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

true, modern ends about the 70s, doesn't it?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:17, Reply)

who the hell knows
post modernism is all about people not being able to work out what post modernism means and what comes after modernism
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:19, Reply)

there is a level of pretention around the "movements"
which leaves me wanting to kick people really hard in the face, I admit.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:23, Reply)

oh hell yeah
I love confusing people in art galleries by calling them when they make some ridiculous pretentious and badly thought out comment. My mate has a philosophy MA and does this much better than me.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:24, Reply)

you really want to meet my brother.
He's the king of that, and has the stones and artistic talent to take more or less anyone down over it.

I'm trying to find some of his stuff online but it seems the gallery he used to use don't have any of his stuff any more. Shame, as it was all one giant postmodern pisstake and people still bought it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

I see
If he's doing it that way, then I like the untitled drawing you mentioned above :)
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:35, Reply)

You'll love this
He sold what's called an "installation" piece to a guy for a couple of grand. It was 5 blank white canvasses but each had a fluorescent tube and a black stencil behind them. They were all connected to a random signal generator hidden in the wall (hence the installation) that turned the the lights on and off at random, lighting up words on each canvas. If you lit all five canvases, it read "Sometimes" "I worry" "I don't know" "how to" "paint"

absolute 24-carat genius, and people never seemed to get it was a pisstake.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:49, Reply)

That's brilliant
And 2 grand for it! Well done from your brother!
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

I think Van Gogh is mostly shit
not as shit as that cunt Emin though.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:29, Reply)