Do you need a new question?
Right, I hate modern art. Just find it stupid and pointless. There are a couple of not too bad things, but in general, asking someone to pay millions for a white canvas or an umbrella or half a glass of water... well, I think it's disgusting.

Mark likes it, though, and he keeps complaining that because I get so upset at museums he's not going anymore as much as he'd like to. So, because he's been a really nice guy lately, I've got us tickets to the Tate Modern Miró exposition. I'm NOT looking forward to it, but I'm sure he'll appreciate it.

When was the last time you did something you hate just to make someone happy?

What do you think of modern art?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:03, 233 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Tate Modern is simply a nice place to be. Don't go in with any expectations and you might enjoy it. Or expect everything to be wanky egotistical shit and ruin your day out.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:07, Reply)

I've been there before
and left in rage. Honestly, a room full of white canvas for an exposition called, wait for it, "White". And half a glass full of water called "The Oak Tree" with an explanation next to it of why that water wasn't water anymore, but an oak tree. And people pays millions for it. Crap.

I think Miró will be ok for a while, then I'll get upset with him using only 3 colours and tell Mark I'm going to the caffeteria to read my book before I get upset and spoil his present.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:09, Reply)

Don't read the explanations if they ruin it for you.
It's fucking huge, there's plenty for everyone. For example, when I went, there was one room which had a collection of photos some guy had taken on the New York train network in the eighties, just people and places, but beautiful photos capturing moments in life and history. Nothing "modern arty unmade bed six million pounds WTF!?" about it, just beautiful imagery. I know I can't change your mind here, but if you give it a chance you might find half the stuff there really wonderful. Going with the expectation that it'll be shit will make it shit.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:12, Reply)

No, but I like that stuff
the pictures, some drawings, some sculptures that don't make sense, but bring you some feelings. That's nice. Problem is that it's mainly crap, and I always leave upset and very crossed at having spent my money and/or time there.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:30, Reply)

the fact people pay millions for it is always silly
but so is how much clubs pay for footballers or rich people pay for anything.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:13, Reply)

Totally agree
It's the celeb culture, not art. You pay millions if the artist is famous only.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Trust me
Clubs never intentionally pay more for footballers than they are going to earn off them. It's just business.
( Peej, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:43, Reply)

I was more interested in the building's architecture
than what it contained. This is true of a number of museums, however.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:10, Reply)

I'm just waiting for all the female b3ta'ers
To answer 'anal sex'. Can't be long now.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:07, Reply)

Where's your icon gone The Archduke of South London?

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:09, Reply)

Icon?
You mean David Bowie. Oh, he's having lunch with his mum today.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:36, Reply)

"I'll do anything for love,
but I won't do that". Unless i'm pissed.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

That's what I like.
Standards.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:18, Reply)

I don't make anyone happy
I really like modern art
(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:08, Reply)

You're not as clever as I thought, then.

(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:10, Reply)

Why because we don't like the same things?
That's a stupid thing to say.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:10, Reply)

Just because I don't think you're clever?
that makes you even more stupid.

No, for not making people happy. You'd feel better and they'd like you more.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

Yeah but then they expect you to keep them happy
and that takes a whole shit load of time.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:13, Reply)

It takes longer
to be nasty. Getting a smile just needs a second. Go on, try!
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:29, Reply)

A parental disappointment?

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:13, Reply)

I will be until I give my mother the grandchildren she desperatly wants.
My lesbian sister's a write off.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:14, Reply)

Oh, no pressure then

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:17, Reply)

Ha, I've made it quite clear I don't give a shit about children.
She can cope.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

She could always adopt.
Or do a Madonna and buy a brown one.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

I don't think you can adopt grandchildren to spoil at the weekends.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:24, Reply)

There's a business opportunity there.
Adopt a kid by the day/hour/weekend.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:29, Reply)

Do you really dislike all modern art
or do you mean stuff more like minimalism? I mean Cezanne, Gauguin, van Gogh and Picasso etc are all most definitely "modern art"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:09, Reply)

Are they?
I don't mind some of their stuff. I don't like things done these days, like a rope around a chair; title: Untitled. Yeah, not even the artist knew what it was, eh?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

There is usually much more
behind it, but it takes work to get it, like complicated music
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:12, Reply)

No, don't start with that
why an umbrella is suddenly art, and costs millions, when the artist bought it in Primark for a few pounds? Only because it has the name of the artist on it. It's like buying a signed picture of Rooney.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:15, Reply)

see my post above about what people pay for it
that's the dealers' faults. The artists are often trying to work something out conceptually and as such it takes work to follow a line of reasoning. I'm not saying it's all good, mind, or that everyone should like it, but it doesn't make it not art
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:18, Reply)

it really isn't as simple as that.
You can say that you don't like it, absolutely. I'll happily admit that I neither like nor "get" some art, but tht doesn't mean it isn't good or that it required no skill. In the same way that, say, Vivaldi leaves me entirely cold, but that doesn't make it bad music.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

Right
I agree with you. Some people like punk, some like indie music, that's fine. However, that's all music, and noone would tell you you're insensitive because you don't like one of them (you might think it, but there isn't a group of artists telling all of us which music is good)

With this type of art, I've heard so many times: "You don't like it because you have no culture or a feeling for art" Really? I don't like it because it's crap. Easy like that. I think it's crap, it's crap to me. There's no group of artists to tell me what's good or not.

Now, if there's a nice drawing, made with a lot of detailed and that, that group of intellectuals can tell you that that's not art anymore, as it's obsolete. Why? It's still nice, who told them they have the right and the wrong about what's art?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

people
do say that shit about music. See Monty for details
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Yes
He's not universally considered a genius on the matter, is he? Nobody in TV tells you what's good or bad music, as we clearly have different tastes. But they do about drawings and sculptures. Why?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Plenty of TV, radio and written media is opinionated about music.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:45, Reply)

And you cand find all type of opinions out there
in favour or against what you like. How many art critics go out there saying "that white exposition was awful" Noone, because the other critics would send the dogs for him.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:47, Reply)

In the same way that much media only writes positive reviews of music
because it drives the industry and the buyers. In the same way as music these galleries have to appeal to a broad audience, in the same way as in the music section in HMV you have all types of audience, young, old, metal, pop, dance etc. If you don't like country and western, you walk past the country and western aisle. Saying HMV is shit because it stocks some country and western is defeating the purpose of HMV and the enjoyment you can get from all the other types of music available there.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

Have you ever listened to The Arctic Monkeys?
I've never seen a review of them that's not been wanky fawning of the highest order, yet they make most right-thinking peoples ears bleed.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:55, Reply)

strangely, their singer did some good stuff
under the name Last Shadow Puppets.

Arctic Monkeys are wank though. See also: the Strokes. Nothing new there, yet they got rave reviews. Despite being very ordinary.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:57, Reply)

people who say you don't like it because you don't have a feeling for art
are fucking idiots. But be careful - you don't like it because you THINK it's crap. Not because it is crap. That's perfectly fine because almost all forms of art are subjective, so you're totally entitled to not like it or think it is crap, but that doesn't mean it actually IS crap.

And there is a group of artists telling all of us what music is good and what is shit right now, they are called critics. Or Monty. It's exactly the same as art.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Music critics
are a lot more relaxed about it. They won't say: if you don't like it you know nothing about music. Art critics, on the other hand...

And, anyway, art should include music, books, films... not only paintings and sculptures. They're pretentious and patronizing.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:46, Reply)

man, you've not met the right music critics ;)
They are worse than anyone.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

especially the cunt at 24/7 magazine in plymouth

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:56, Reply)

You might be right
I try to avoid critics in general. In that case, I'd be upset with them too, as much as with the art critics.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:03, Reply)

my brother is a pretty good artist
but he was fond of taking the piss out of that kind of thing. He did an exhibition piece called untitled. It's just an 8' square blue canvas with the word "untitled" neatly painted on it in white.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:16, Reply)

You see?
I'd have to see it, but I think it's the type of think I'd take the piss out. Sorry.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

no, that's the point, you'd get it.
he did it to take the piss. Almost all of his art he exibited takes the piss. He paints what you would call "proper" pictures on commission for friends, he is a talented classical painter. But that wouldn't get you exhibited or get you a good fine art degree, because it doesn't show enough imagination or willingness to stretch artistic boundaries. In the same way you can't make waves in science by repeating what someone else has already done.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:38, Reply)

Get away from this place with all your sense and shit.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:42, Reply)

It's all just a facade
I'm really all about the breasts.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:43, Reply)

*high-fives*

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

*thunderous mammary tens*

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:45, Reply)

I suspect she means stuff like
Emin and Hurst.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

it's usually conceptual art people mean by that
and much of what people call modern art is really Post Modern
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

That
What you said (I'm crap with art, I know)

In general, I get fed up in art Museums. British museums are ok, because you pay what you want and spend as much time as you want. Now, having paid 50€ to get into the Uffizi meant seeing it all in one day. There's only a number of Virgin Marys I can see without feeling sick, and that number is a lot below the 1000 drawings of her they have in the museum.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:14, Reply)

i felt the same way about The Louvre
it was like eating too much pizza. after a while you just want a rest and no more pizza
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:16, Reply)

I love how everyone goes into the Louvre
goes to see the Mona Lisa, has a coffee and then goes. There are actually other bits of art there.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

there were a lot of
Rembrants when I went
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

Exactly
I don't mind if I can leave whenever I want, but... we had to queue for 2h to get the ticket (that's after booking it online, so only had to do the short queue). By the time we got to the Venus, I only wanted to tear all the paintings in front of me.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

it's 50 euro to get into the Uffizi?
fucking hell.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Or more,
if they have an exposition, which you can't opt out. And if you don't want to be all day on the queue, you book online, having to pay a booking and reservation fee, so you onely queue 2h when you get to the museum. In low season they're a bit cheaper.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:24, Reply)

christ on a fucking bike
I was planning on going there. Screw that for a game of soldiers, I'll spend it on food and wine instead.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

That's what I thought when I left
we spent +100€ in museums in Florence; they were kind of ok. The Uffizi... Mark enjoyed it, don't take me wrong. You can go past the 1000 virgins in 5 seconds and get to the nicer paintings quick. I keep thinking I should have let him go there and spend my money drinking wine and eating cheese and parma ham, and enjoying the beautiful weather.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:34, Reply)

There was a young poet from Florence
Who hated all art with abhorrence
He got slightly tipsy
Went down the Uffizi
And peed on the paintings in torrents.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

I went to the Uffizi last year
There's tonnes of great art in there. Don't remember it costing 50 euros though, think we paid more like 8 euros. Some of Leonardo's stuff was awesome, same with Bottochelli (sp?). Mind you I wasn't as bothered by the number of virgin marys, what I found weird was the amount of paintings of St Sebastian. I mean, how many different ways are there to paint a guy tied to a post shot through with arrows?

Anyway, yeah - like I said my problem was just that there was so much to see... We spent all day there, could eisily have spent a couple of days or longer and not seen everything.
(Fredz A graveyard of hopes, a dump of ambition, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

true, modern ends about the 70s, doesn't it?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:17, Reply)

who the hell knows
post modernism is all about people not being able to work out what post modernism means and what comes after modernism
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:19, Reply)

there is a level of pretention around the "movements"
which leaves me wanting to kick people really hard in the face, I admit.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:23, Reply)

oh hell yeah
I love confusing people in art galleries by calling them when they make some ridiculous pretentious and badly thought out comment. My mate has a philosophy MA and does this much better than me.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:24, Reply)

you really want to meet my brother.
He's the king of that, and has the stones and artistic talent to take more or less anyone down over it.

I'm trying to find some of his stuff online but it seems the gallery he used to use don't have any of his stuff any more. Shame, as it was all one giant postmodern pisstake and people still bought it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

I see
If he's doing it that way, then I like the untitled drawing you mentioned above :)
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:35, Reply)

You'll love this
He sold what's called an "installation" piece to a guy for a couple of grand. It was 5 blank white canvasses but each had a fluorescent tube and a black stencil behind them. They were all connected to a random signal generator hidden in the wall (hence the installation) that turned the the lights on and off at random, lighting up words on each canvas. If you lit all five canvases, it read "Sometimes" "I worry" "I don't know" "how to" "paint"

absolute 24-carat genius, and people never seemed to get it was a pisstake.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:49, Reply)

That's brilliant
And 2 grand for it! Well done from your brother!
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

I think Van Gogh is mostly shit
not as shit as that cunt Emin though.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:29, Reply)

Glee
Every fucking week.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:09, Reply)

I would rather do housework than watch Glee.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

*proffers medal*
for Actions Above and Beyond the Call of Duty.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:12, Reply)

We can tell.
It's starting to show in your happy posts.
( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

You should see the one down there V

( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

I have enjoyed your rage for many, many years.

( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Any bets on when I suffer
and aneurysm/heart attack yet?
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

The moment Kaol returns with his lies.

( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

I enjoyed Kaol's lies
is he ever coming back or has he been entirely subsumed into the technological black hole?
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:30, Reply)

He might come back, but he's away from computers during the day at the moment,

( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:35, Reply)

That's not surprising, most of Wales is away from computers.
I have to support some of the few computer-users in Wales and I'd rather be supporting chimps.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:41, Reply)

Er, yeah!
Me too!
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

How do you define modern art?
Its a vast area to describe as stupid and pointless.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:10, Reply)

Yeah, I know
I tried to make it clear in some posts above. It seems it's Post Modern.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:16, Reply)

I suppose partly it comes down to the reputation and past work of the artist.
My unmade bed would not be as "interesting" as that of Tracey Emin.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:19, Reply)

There we are
as I said above, it's more about being a celebrity than the art itself.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

don't really know what art the term 'modern art' covers.
besides I'm off to spend all day in the sun.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:11, Reply)

Last night I was the host for my friends, cooking tea for them, getting them drinks, and all the while not drinking
Not fun!
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:12, Reply)

Don't lie
I know you had fun, and you feel very proud they enjoyed themselves now :)

I bet it was hard work, though.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:17, Reply)

It's the lack of drinking that bothered me
I really really want to cut down, I've found I'm turning to it more and more as an emotional crutch these days, and I have to stop that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to stop drinking altogether, as I don't think the situation warrants that, but I'm certainly cutting down, and considering dropping any midweek drinking beyond a pint.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Can we expect another shameful display at Bloodstock this year?

( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

Not this year, I'm off to Sonisphere instead.
I wasn't really too bad on booze at any point during Bloodstock, I think...
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:33, Reply)

I took my wife to see Marti Pellow live in concert. *shudders*
I went to the Tate Modern not really knowing what to expect and really enjoyed it. I liked the room full of posters from the October Revolution and there were some good photography pieces.
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:13, Reply)

Hahaha
unlucky
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:14, Reply)

I don't get on with modern art
there's bits and pieces I like, but I think there's a genuine cynicism in some of the stuff that gets turned out which is clearly pointless and talentless. I nearly always like pieces of photography though
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:14, Reply)

Yep
I don't mind some stuff. Some of them are really clever and make you think and that. Those I like. Most of them seem like the artist got fed up at the beginning of his work, and just left it there, abandoned.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:18, Reply)

I don't road rage when driving anymore because the Mrs hates it. That is a sort of sacrifice and I find it very difficult.

Alt: I used to rage against it but I think it's a bit funny now. I'm never going to buy it so let the poor deluded wankers get on with it I say.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:14, Reply)

I like art so modern...that it only exists in the future...
You have to use time travel to see it. If anyone would like to come see it please bring a bottle of absynth and meet me outside St Paul's cathedral next week Thursday at 20 'o clock.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:16, Reply)

I'm there/have been there/will be there

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

I think you mean
"will have am being there"

*chuckles* rookie mistake.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Wioll haven bee
If I remember my Douglas Adams right.
(wellgroomedwookiee is a filthy-minded hobgoblin, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:14, Reply)

Bring a pullover...
It gets cold in the future. Bring flip flops too. We might end up in a hot place. You just never know.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:35, Reply)

I went to the Tate Modern and became enraged by the ridiculousness of a blue square.
The guy I was with wandered into the next room (probably to hide) and came back saying, 'I wouldn't go in there if I were you.'
( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:17, Reply)

Hahaha
Mark does that to me too :)

Some of them are so silly, and they cost so much money! Who's stupid enough to pay a fortune for them?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:19, Reply)

I got tutted at in there
when I said that the Chinese pebble installation was "gravel".

Well it was!
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

Remember the Massive Crack?
My friend got her wheely suitcase stuck in it.
( thealternativefact, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Haha!
I cannot recall a more pointless exhibition.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Hang on...
TGB has been exhibited at the Tate Modern?
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

Remember how they were worried that the LHC
was going to create a black hole and suck the Earth into it? The real reason they built it was to create one. The Earth was starting to be sucked into TGB's vagina. The black hole balances it out.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:29, Reply)

This is terrible internet bullying :(

( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:50, Reply)

"oh, hello, Mr Kroney Kettle?"
"I've got a Ms Grammar Pot on the phone, she needs to talk about the Black account"
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:53, Reply)

I'm lovely!

( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:16, Reply)

Hello?
All I can hear is the howling of the wind.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:57, Reply)

You beat me to the obvious, tasteless comment.

(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

I wandered in there once
and found that there were a load bunkbeds with books on them.

Very pleasant after a day spent wandering the city
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Since we're making grand, sweeping statements
Poetry really is stupid and pointless. Not in a modern art "some bits are ok" level, but all of it from about 1900 onwards. Every. Single. Last. Bit. Of it. Including Milligan and every other poet that you might quite like and think should be exempted. You're wrong.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:20, Reply)

No
You're wrong!

What about war poetry?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Fucking beakering, emo shit.
Get on with it, you homos.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:24, Reply)

You must feel a bit more
in touch with your emotions when you are watching Glee?

Getting to touch your inner-homo, so to speak.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Shoot some Bosche, don't tell me about your feelings Wilfred Owen you queer.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

This post ruined Wilfred Owen for me
I still think it's a cracking poem though
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:28, Reply)

I didn't see Kitchener or any of the other real warriors
writing any namby-pamby nancy poetry. They were too busy getting people killed like REAL men.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Gayest poem of all time is 'Tell me lies about Vietnam' by Adrian Mitchell.
Fucking atrocious. Makes Pam Ayres look like fucking Keats.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:33, Reply)

see I disagree.
I've got a book of poems by Micheal Leunig, and I love them. And I have a book that's a collection of love poems and some of them are just so beautiful that they make me cry, every single time I read them.
I think Poetry has to be taken with a grain of salt, but I love it.
(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:26, Reply)

See, you're wrong.
Well, maybe wrong's a bit harsh. You are merely monumentally deluded.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

Nah, I think I'm just different to you in my view of it!

(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:29, Reply)

Correct.
And since I am right, that makes you wrong.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:32, Reply)

sport is all fucking shit

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

Correct

( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:30, Reply)

I don't think you know any of the poets I like
But I take your point.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:38, Reply)

Last time I took Ms Foxtrot round a gallery in London (can't remember the name, the House of Pretension probably)
it was when they had that massive container that you could walk so far inside that it got really dark. ART.

So glad you got stuck into this Aber, bunch of arse. If I got a canvas and jizzed, pissed, bled, vomited and excreted on it and claimed it was an expression of my inner self in corporeal form, could I call it art and charge someone a hundred grand for it? No, I would be called a freak and possibly sectioned. So what makes these "artists" so very different from me? Apart from wallet thickness, obviously.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

Celebs
People buys anything if it's from someone "famous"
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:40, Reply)

1) The amount of shit I take for the sake of my child is flabbergasting
2)Some modern art's amazing: 60s poster art, some graffiti - but most is Emperor's New Clothes shite, isn't it Tracey Emin?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:25, Reply)

An unmade bed?
WTF?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:27, Reply)

I shall piss a mattress,
and stick it on ebay.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:32, Reply)

I bid ninety-twelve hundred grand.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:39, Reply)

The worst part of Tracey Emin being a noted "artist" isn't even that she's getting paid for something she's clearly no good at
It's that her face gets on telly and in newspapers and magazines.

Her face is horrible.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:31, Reply)

she started off making quilts

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:32, Reply)

She violates my rule about celebrities (a loose term which I will expand to include anyone who makes a magazine cover that might cross my eyeline)
Basically, if they're too minging to allow my lunch and stomach to remain on good terms, they shouldn't be allowed to be famous.

See also; Natalie Cassidy, Beth Ditto.

Morning darling.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:37, Reply)

morning
although I should really be snubbing you for below comment
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:39, Reply)

Natalie Cassidy looks like she has been hit in the face by a spade.
Unfortunately, in profile, I look a bit like her.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:40, Reply)

I'm willing to bet that's not true
She really did get the most incerdibly raw deal genetically, not only is she fuck-ugly but she has an awful figure, even with implants.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:46, Reply)

I find it amusing
that she lost a ton of weight, brought out an exercise DVD and then promptly got back on the pie bus.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:50, Reply)

It's very hard to imagine who would buy an exercise DVD with her in it
Who the fuck actually wants to look like that? Or look at that?

When she was on Strictly she enraged me by claiming, when her partner was very tactfully trying to explain why they weren't doing as many lifts as the other couples, that she was "a size 12 girl". So not only is she minging, she can't read clothing labels either.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:54, Reply)

Vanessa Feltz claims to be a size 12 too
I have a size 12 waist and hips, but I guarantee I would look like the comedy heiffer if I tried to dance on that programme.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:57, Reply)

A size 12 what?

( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:03, Reply)

This is meant entirely seriously
It's harder for the better-endowed woman to do Ballroom because of balance issues. True story.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:03, Reply)

I should give it a try, then
I'm almost like a boy :(
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:04, Reply)

Shut up, you are not
You're much prettier than a boy and you're hardly flat-chested
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:05, Reply)

It depends on the boy
and I'm flat chested. My sister and I always say, we got the body from our mother from waist down and from our father from waist up.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:06, Reply)

Don't make me compliment you in a public forum again.
I'll do it.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:12, Reply)

OK, that's now my excuse for bad dancing
instead of the 'I'm a clumsy, graceless clod' excuse
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:05, Reply)

For my hen night activity I hired a dance teacher to teach a bunch of giggly women a three-minute routine to pop songs
Of about 15 women (ages ranging from 13 to 60) I was the absolute worst dancer. And, as the 'hen', I was stuck right at the front so I couldn't hide.

Arthritic limbs aside, I have zero co-ordination and kept forgetting what bit came next.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:08, Reply)

You're welcome
It worked for me for a while too
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:11, Reply)

You haven't seen me in profile
I have no cheekbones, so my face just kind of goes straight up and down, with a beak in the middle. That's why any pictures I will willingly pass around are taken face-on, preferably with a massive teeth-baring grin. You learn to work with what you have.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:53, Reply)

On this principle I should insist on only being photographed stood directly behind Ms Foxtrot

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:55, Reply)

I think we would all appreciate this
Can I suggest you also crouch down a bit?
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:00, Reply)

Won't take much
She's only an inch shorter than me
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:02, Reply)

Cracking knockers, though.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:36, Reply)

I was just about to say this
Also, in response to DF's comment: pot, kettle, kettle, pot.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:38, Reply)

I'm not famous though, am I
I'm blaming the rules I suggest above for this
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:41, Reply)

I'm sorry, but you are VERY famous
Any time your name is mentioned, people say 'Isn't that the bumder that was on telly?'
See? Fame.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Yes. Fame. I'm going to live forever. I'm going to learn how to fly.
How often has this happened? Would it be just the once, with Mr B3th, as you mentioned yesterday?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:47, Reply)

There was a suggestion I name a guinea pig after you
that would be true fame
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:54, Reply)

That's so random it just might be true
Whose suggestion was this?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:56, Reply)

LiT
it's under the picture of the pig I posted yesterday on fb
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:01, Reply)

So I see
GO ON GO ON GO ON
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:04, Reply)

no!
although I did consider naming them after sci fi bad guys, so if I did, I could pretend it wasn't you
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:06, Reply)

Vader and Maul?
the two darths
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:09, Reply)

We don't speak of cousin Maul and his penis extension issues in our family

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:12, Reply)

I recommend Biff and Gaius
They fulfil your criteria and yet are quite cute
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:14, Reply)

gaius from BSG
Biff from BTTF?
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:17, Reply)

Yes and yes
Take three points
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:18, Reply)

Best depiction of her
is the little cartoons in Private Eye
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:40, Reply)

Emin was on HIGNFY one week
I've never seen anyone so fucking smug, as you would be if you'd hopped on the "Saatchi is a gullible cunt" gravy-train.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:33, Reply)

I hate that stupid bitch so much

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Yes, I agree. But.
I am ashamed to say that I probably would.

Edit: I'd fall into a pit of misery and self-loathing afterwards, naturally.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Gullible cunt, yes. So rich he doesn't give a shit? Also yes.
What a cunt.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:35, Reply)

Cunt squared
the worst kind
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:36, Reply)

damn you
i was only just peeking in here while I used my computer to find some pictures to make some art with. Now I'm stuck here :(
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Hi crunchy how's it hanging?
My train has just gone through Doncaster, fuck me the locals are ugly, what to they feed them up here?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:37, Reply)

not bad
decided to avoid work as I have a 'great' idea for some art thing. IN reality I got trapped here and will probably only leave the house to get toys for my new pets.

Why are you going through DOncaster?
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:38, Reply)

Because it's better than getting off the train AT Doncaster?

( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:43, Reply)

I used to like trips to Donny market when I was a kid
But then, I've always been easily impressed.


Ooooh, shiny thing!
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Because you really don't want to stop there!
On my way to York for a work presentation thing, exciting times!
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:46, Reply)

My hangover isn't clearing
I need bacon and cheese asap.

Some modern art is fantastic, some is pretentious bullshit. It took an a level in art history to tell me that...
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:35, Reply)

*cough* easy option *cough*

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:37, Reply)

FUCK YOU!
/A level lecturer (admittedly not fine art, though
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:38, Reply)

I wasn't even aware there was such a thing as art history A level
But my school was fairly stuck in its ways, shall we say
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:42, Reply)

I don't really do art history
although we do a little photography history. The first year of my degree was accidentally art history.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Is that because it was 6 hours a week
allowing you to spend more time in the bar?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:48, Reply)

pff!
no it was because the uni was so shit the degree we had enrolled on didn't exist for the first year. Still got better marks than the people who were meant to be on the course /smug
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:53, Reply)

Impressive
Where can you sign up to one of these theoretical degrees?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:59, Reply)

any badly run uni which has not yet
achieved university status. (it has now, which, I hope makes my degrees look less shit, now)
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:01, Reply)

I might be leaving it a tad late

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:01, Reply)

Oi! It's harder than it looks!
Now geography, that was an easy option
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:48, Reply)

Really?
Colouring in versus history of colouring in?
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:53, Reply)

Cheeky bastard, have a click

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:55, Reply)

Thank you kindly

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:58, Reply)

Very good
:)
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:02, Reply)

it doesn't usually do it for me
except to make me growl jealously, "i could have fucking done that". but i guess the point it, i DIDN'T, which is why the artist is a millionaire and i am- not.

anyway, i just booked a week in madeira and a week in barbados, so i am feeling pretty croissant-astic about that, if nothing else!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:37, Reply)

What about that artist you like
whose stuff looks like a twelve year old girl's excercise book? Doesn't that count as modern art?
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:39, Reply)

i have no idea
i thought aber meant installation type stuff, which i don't get.

but contemporary artists painting actual pictures - is that still modern art? if so, i like some of it, hate some of it, love some of it.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:45, Reply)

I hate the type you are talking about too
I once took a bracing bar that was used in the transport on a laptop trolley to stop it warping in transit. I bent it up and plonked it on my desk, I was about to chuck it in the skip when someone commented that it looked like a sculpture. I promptly signed it with a CD pen and plonked it on ebay under the heading "Unique sculpture by Cornish Artist" Sold for £23 and I got positive feedback. It amuses me that it might be on a shelf somewhere.
( Peej, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:51, Reply)

excellent work

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:53, Reply)

Why thank you
Can I interest you in a Unique Sculpture by a Cornish Artist perchance?
( Peej, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:56, Reply)

if I can interest you in a still from a performance art piece that I have been working on

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:59, Reply)

I approve of this
I wonder what shit in this house I can pass off as 'art'?
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:55, Reply)

Mental
People are mental. And stupid.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:58, Reply)

That's so cool
I should do the same.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 10:59, Reply)

*smirks*
Humans are shit.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:00, Reply)

I find some of it pointless
Art for art's sake annoys me, it doesn't help the stereotyping of art students, and there are some genuinely good ones (edit: ones = artists) out there. You just have to distinguish them from the 'fries with that' art student.

Independent modern art galleries annoy me, where everything you see is on sale for 10 times what you'd expect to pay.

Art with some kind of craftmanship or evocative value is something I can rate.
I'm sure there'll be people who disagree with me because anybody can interpret anything as art and it'll have different values to them.
( Frisbee TeaBoy, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:01, Reply)

And, of course, this place is full of argumentative twats.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:02, Reply)

I don't even own an argumentative

( Frisbee TeaBoy, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:03, Reply)

Two sugars please.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:09, Reply)

Now while I don't know who you are
but rest assured, your comment struck me deeply.
( Frisbee TeaBoy, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:14, Reply)

thing is right
you shouldn't need to study art to be a good artist, and I suspect that it rather gets in the way, because those who teach art are almost certainly going to be completel shitbags of the highest order.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:03, Reply)

Wow I feel so loved

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:06, Reply)

don't feel singled out
I'm a civil engineer. we're boring cunts with an over-inflated self-opinion
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:11, Reply)

As someone who is married to an ME type
I hear some choice words about CEs
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:12, Reply)

you should CEs talk about architects
my other half is a structural engineer. My bro and his wife are both architects. Makes for interesting family gatherings.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:14, Reply)

Yeah, my brother in law is a CE too
He keeps asking mr b3th for advice, which frankly just reinforces the prejudice.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:16, Reply)

I think that if there are those who want to develop their own style
then studying the different forms, shadowing current ones and spending many years in various places/schools would make sense.

I just assign no value to the ones who think they are of the same ilk after pissing a few years away at university, interspersing their factory-produced curriculae with 5-for-1 drinks at 80's night.
( Frisbee TeaBoy, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:10, Reply)

you make a good point with the first bit
my comment was more a sweeping generalisation based on the latter half of your post.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:12, Reply)

Speaking as someone who went to art school for three years.............................meh!

( girlinthehole, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:11, Reply)

Hitler went to art school
therefore, art schools are bad.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:13, Reply)

Sieg heil!

( girlinthehole, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:14, Reply)

I did graphic design
but the course included a lot of general art stuff as well, including art history.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:16, Reply)

I did graphic design for a year earlier on.
My art work was quite graphic too.
( girlinthehole, Wed 20 Apr 2011, 11:18, Reply)