I don't know
but I'm the same. It's a good job I took my brother and his mrs with me the other day when I bought a van. I can't negotiate for shit, but my bro is a sales manager, and his mrs is a purchasing manager for a very large, international company. Useful stuff.

I'm shit at that stuff. I probably talked myself down in salary for my new job. But it's more than I get now, so doesn't matter too much.

At least you have a job!
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:52, 3 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Mrs Cow is the best at this
She gets money off loads of things. We got over £1000 off her car last year
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:53, Reply)

trouble is, with the place I went to buy this van
they didn't need to offer anything. Even if they were exaggerating slightly, they still sell at least one van every day. I managed to get a years tax out of them, but that's it.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:55, Reply)

Always go for the mats!
And petrol
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:56, Reply)

damn it!
I thought about the mats when I was driving the bastard as well. and the fuel.

cock
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:57, Reply)

We ended up getting another £200 off her car by going on the Saturday and walking away, full intending to buy it on the Sunday
On the Sunday morning we took the kids swimming and got back to a voicemail from the garage offering another £200 off the price! Woop for swimming!
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:59, Reply)

Sweet!
In fairness I did get £600 off the price of my car by going to buy it having taken out £600 less than the asking price and telling them they could either accept the what I had in cash or I'd go home.

But they were asking too much for the car, so....
(berk, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:01, Reply)

I like it
We went in with a value that we would not go beyond and looked at more expensive cars than that, with the trade-in bit going up and up. we spoke to a mate who is a car salesman who verified how much they would give us for her car and that we had cracked a "fucking brilliant" deal that he couldn't match at mate's rates.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:03, Reply)

that's what was galling about the place we went to get the van
while it was a good price to begin with, particularly compared to the same vehicle down here, they had no need to sell it to me, because someone else would buy it within a week or so. No room for negotiation there.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:05, Reply)

But in other news, you do now have a shiny awesome van
for the purposes of being a surfbum.
(berk, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:08, Reply)

very true :-D

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:11, Reply)

What you have to bear in mind is that it's the guy that's talking to you now
that gets the commission, he might not be there next time somebody enquires and that commission will go to somebody else. You're there, with cash, right now. That is a powerful position to be in regardless of how hard-nosed they're being.

Don't be afraid to walk.
( Kroney, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:10, Reply)

not that sort of place
there are two guys who own the place and do the selling.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:11, Reply)

Ah gutted.

( Kroney, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:13, Reply)

we were prepared to pay full price anyway
and it's not like anything needed fixing on the van, so it's not too bad.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:18, Reply)

It's a skill, not a gift.
So you can learn it. I have been sent on endless courses because it is part of my job.

Easiest 2 tips are say exactly what you want and have a fall back position.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:55, Reply)

True
I don't have a problem with my salary, but by starting when they want me to start I will get gypped out of £800 redundancy pay from here...all for the sake of two weeks, and they are not being particularly flexible about it.

I cannot afford to be gypped out of £800 :(
(berk, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:55, Reply)

ah, that sucks
irritating when people aren't flexible. I've been lucky in that respect.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:56, Reply)

Fucking tell them then.
How are they gypping you out of £800?

Put it in writing and give it to the Personnel monkey.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:57, Reply)

If I stay til the end of my contract in the current place I will get £800
if I leave two weeks early to start when the new place wants me to start, I will not get £800.

I have very, very politely and apologetically put it to them that either they let me start two weeks later or give me £800.
(berk, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 10:58, Reply)

Fuck polite
Say you cannot start until then as you cannot afford it. If they want you (which they do as they have given you the job) they will sort it
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:00, Reply)

Listen to Sportscow, Berk.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:02, Reply)

New job does mean attendance at your bash though
so YAY for that.
(berk, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:03, Reply)

£800 would also ensure a fucking good time there

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:04, Reply)

GET IN!!
That's superb.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:06, Reply)

Go on, listem to his funny northern accent. It's hysterical.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:06, Reply)

Gaan fuck yersel

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:08, Reply)

Too right.
Tell them you are contractually obliged until whatever date gives you the £800 but can secure an earlier termination for £800 of the new employers readies.

If they get funny politely tell them you are not Baron de Rothschild and are not in a position to piss £800 away.

THERE'S A FUCKING RECESSION ON DONTCHAKNOW!
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:02, Reply)

It's ovbously not going to work out, I can sort you out a job at the cab office if you want, they pay minimum wage now apparently.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:07, Reply)

Two weeks should mean fuck all for most places.
edit: under the assumption you're the only one starting at the same time, if they've got a bunch of people to be trained in one go then it'll cause a problem.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:08, Reply)

This is exactly the problem, sadly
which is why I have offered to start when they want as long as they can recompense me, even though that route is probably more hassle than starting when I wanted to originally.
(berk, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:11, Reply)

Ah, well the worst they can do is say no.
Any holiday you can use for the two weeks?
(PsychoChomp, Tue 2 Aug 2011, 11:25, Reply)