Maybe not exclusively true, but there's a strain of it.
Probably a reaction, I agree. I prefer strong characters, be they male or female, but i'd rather the one wasn't at the expense of the other.

fuck it if I carry this on I'll probably come across as a sexist and I'm really not.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:39, 2 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

You always make me do the washing up when I visit : (

( girlinthehole, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:40, Reply)

ANd the housework.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:43, Reply)

Yeah well
I think if you totted it up, the number of women abused, raped and helpless in films as compared to men will still probably FAR outnumber men. We're just not used to seeing those roles reversed so it sticks in your mind more than the countless examples of strong competent men and weak women.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:41, Reply)

while your point is true
I think the newer tendency to make up for it by making men look crap and women cool helps no one. I want the right to be crap sometimes, too
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:44, Reply)

I'd rather it was that way round myself, than the other.
though the best solution would be to have strong men and women, but try and avoid gender stereotyping, so you don't always have a sweet female doctor masquerading as being of actual use.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:45, Reply)

I think better would be to think of
characters not necessarily as strong or weak, but as rounded. I'm crap at a lot of things, I need to see faults in characters before I can identify.

I think making female characters without flaws (which is something which does keep cropping up, along with the fact they have to be skinny and pretty) makes them more alien and actual demonstrates an idealised male gaze...blah blah blah..boring myself now
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:50, Reply)

Yes, you are of course totally right.
I don't know what I was on about. I'll shut up now.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:44, Reply)

I have a strong feeling you don't agree
but that's okay. Like I said above I have my own specific brand of feminism
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:46, Reply)

call it Post-feminism
there are enough versions of that that one's bound to fit and if it doesn't, just claim everyone else has misunderstood the meaning of post feminism
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:48, Reply)

it's not a winnable argument
and nothing to be gained from rerunning it again. Me apologies.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:49, Reply)

it's a valid discussion
there are no winners in contemporary cultural theory
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:51, Reply)

Better you have it than me then
We pretty much agree, but you articulate better and there's less chance you will be assumed to be biased.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:54, Reply)

oh i absolutely don't
I'm well aware that the points I'm making just aren't clear enough when I'm typing. I either need a month to write it up in or the person right in front of me so I can rant until they get tired and just agree with me
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:58, Reply)

I didn't say you were good, just better than me.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:59, Reply)

The problem is that it's very difficult to let go of feminist rants when there are still so many women suffering at the hands of patriachal socities.
Until they have caught up to the western world, (and we still have a way to go), it's difficult to sit back and relax a little.
( girlinthehole, Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:59, Reply)