Making sense here, Quents
Too many people can't seem to imagine the world of music before the Beatles.
It is fair enough to say "I don't like the Beatles", but lazy and ignorant to claim they are overrated or insignificant or whatever.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:50, 3 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

The bollix it is.
There's a difference between overrated and insignificant. Overrated means they are rated too highly. I think they are overrated.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:51, Reply)

if your under 40 they're overrated
if your over 40 they pretty much changed your life

or 50? maybe 50
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:53, Reply)

Actually 'underrated' and 'overrated' are utterly meaningless critical terms used by people who just mean "I like" or "I don't like" this as much as I seem to think other people do.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:53, Reply)

Paul McCartney. A man who believes his own hype.
I don't like him AND he's overrated.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:55, Reply)

this i'll agree with

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:55, Reply)

I don't like him either.
Which is kind of my point, you can only say he is overrated if you start from the assumption that everybody else thinks he is a genius, which is quite palbably not the case.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:56, Reply)

Why is he so rich, then?

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:56, Reply)

he sold heather mills other leg

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:57, Reply)

That doesn't even make sense as an argument.
So I have no idea how to respond.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:58, Reply)

Of course he's a terrible cunt.
But to be fair to him, if you were Paul McCartney you would think you were fucking ace too.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:56, Reply)

If I were Paul McCartney I would cut my face off with a hacksaw
and then shove a 'pyahno keyboard' up my arse. Then set fire to it.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:01, Reply)

And if he won't do it, then
oh lord, why don't we?
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:02, Reply)

Very good.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:10, Reply)

and then delete your account and kill yourself.
*thumbs up*
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:03, Reply)

OOooooooo!
*waggles head*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:14, Reply)

^ My point ^

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:55, Reply)

You are talking absolute tosh here.
It is specifically concerning critical/popular acclaim (or not) for something and is wholly unrelated to personal taste. Don't you understand English? You should listen to Ian Brown and the Rolling Stones, delete your account and then kill yourself.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:55, Reply)

I am in a dilemna as to how to respond.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:56, Reply)

Hahahaha 11/10

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:58, Reply)

In all seriousness, you are of course technically correct,
but I stand by the fact that is not how people use the terms. They just use them as a lazy shorthand for personal taste.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:02, Reply)

Monty and I have just used them in the technically correct manner. ARE WE NOT PEOPLE TOO?

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)

No, you are B3tans, silly.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)

In all seriousness, you are a bent spastic.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)

I thought that has already been very well established anyway?

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:05, Reply)

I understand that you think they are overrated.
My point is: you are incorrect - they are rated highly for good reason.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:54, Reply)

It hardly matters since musical tastes are subjective.
It also hardly matters that they changed music in some way. They didn't change the type of music I listen to.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:56, Reply)

but your ma and da would have loved listenin to em while they were picken dem portaytos

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:57, Reply)

Nah, they were too busy singing tuneless songs about how bad life was back in the good old days.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:00, Reply)

i like how the man on celebrity jouice says ^PORTAYTO!
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:01, Reply)

Of course taste is subjective
That was why I said it is perfectly reasonable to not like them. But any rational stylistic analysis of much of their output would show there was good reason for them to be rated highly. And that is without taking into account their subsequent influence.
As for the music you listen to, unless you only listen to music that pre-dates the Beatles, it exists in a post-Beatles world and will more than likely have an influence traceable back to them.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:02, Reply)

This is the kind of thing I listen to:
youtu.be/8IRWVKhDzxA
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:05, Reply)

"unless you only listen to music that pre-dates the Beatles"

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:09, Reply)

Yep, I was indicating that I do.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:10, Reply)

Fair enough, as long as we understand one another.
*feels silly*
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:12, Reply)

Testes.
They are *massively* overrated.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:52, Reply)

There was one hell of a lot of good music before the Beatles, their 1st 2 or 3 albums were mostly covers of it
Not saying they weren't good, or don't deserve credit for bringing it into the main stream, but there was better music both before and after.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:56, Reply)

oh i know, all they did was bring it to the mainstream, most white folks never ehard it before

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 11:58, Reply)

Maybe not all
some of their later stuff was more interesting. I think the problem, if there is one, is that people confuse social significance with musical ability. They have the former in spades, but musically they were nothing too special and looked at to day, there's not reason you should listen to them in preference to genuine musical geniuses such as, say, The Clash.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:01, Reply)

my mum likes the beatles

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)

Oh fuck off
The Clash are overrated.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:05, Reply)

Hahhahaha
From the eloquently argued Beatles point to 'Fuck off' in one short step.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:07, Reply)

I suspect he was looking for a reaction
Which, of course, makes him worse than Hitler*.


*Hopefully this invocation should bring this pointless debate to a swift conclusion
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:09, Reply)

It's not a proper Internet Debate(TM) till someone says "confirmation bias" or "straw man" without having the foggiest idea of what these terms actually mean.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:10, Reply)

[inserts ad hominem attack]

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:11, Reply)

Hominems have every right to get married too, you know.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:12, Reply)

Oh yeah, forgot about "ad hominem".
That's another good staple of Internet Debates(TM).
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:13, Reply)

Eloquently argued but complete bollocks Beatles point, you mean.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:21, Reply)

Hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of Angling Times
Although I was fishing for Monty on that one.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:18, Reply)

No problem V

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:19, Reply)

Bar no more than two or three songs The Clash are complete fucking shit.
This is a fact. Plus I AM worse than Hitler.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:19, Reply)

Damn right you are
Hitler wouldn't have been so generous to The Clash.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:21, Reply)

God they were poor.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:21, Reply)

Actually Strummer was pretty wealthy.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:27, Reply)

And a cunt.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:28, Reply)

Heh, I rather like them.
But these things are subjective and I'm neither influenced by, nor do I make any claims for their cultural significance. But the I like what I like, some is (by your standards) good and some awful.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:25, Reply)

I want to be lectured on politics*
I certainly don't want my lecture to be delivered in the form of a shit song by a bunch of cunts.

*I never want to be lectured on politics
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:26, Reply)

This is fine.
I'm not actually claiming you should like them. Just know that your hatred of them adds to my enjoyment. See also: Insane Clown Posse & Sultans of Ping FC. Although I fully understand why people hate those two.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:28, Reply)

And there's my day ruined.

*searches for pullover*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:29, Reply)

If you want to be educated
listen to noted urban politicians N.W.A.'s seminal manifesto 'Fuck da Police'
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:32, Reply)

I bet it's a staple of you playlists.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:36, Reply)

Of course it is
right next to 'I Got 99 problems but the budget ain't one'
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:41, Reply)

*Listens to Corporate Avenger*
If you've not heard them then I'd avoid if I were you. They combine naive and overstated politics that would make The Clash blush, with faux mysticism and a musical style not dissimilar to ICP.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:36, Reply)