But there are over half a million empty buildings
and an estimated 20,000 squatters so it really is the squatters fault that these people own empty and unused buildings...
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 14:58, 1 reply, 12 years ago)

If I buy a building, it's my building - I'm at liberty to leave it empty if I want.
It doesn't give you the right to move in, you filthy squatter.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:01, Reply)

this^

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:03, Reply)

+ is a very poor argument

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:16, Reply)

Not at all, no
These scruffy cunts who break into houses and try to legally claim residence. GET TO FUCK. It isn't your building so fuck off
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:17, Reply)

Community ownership, reclaim the streets, hippy bullshit cunts.
CASE CLOSED
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:19, Reply)

Anyone squatting in my gaff will be forcibly ejected

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:21, Reply)

strikethrough a
replace with u

understandable
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:25, Reply)

squutting?

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:26, Reply)

guff?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:27, Reply)

No thanks, I've just put one out.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:27, Reply)

I did offer

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:30, Reply)

GUFFTASTIC

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:27, Reply)

Isn't that illegal?
Rory? Or if he's not here, perhaps swipe could ask one of the men in her office?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:34, Reply)

I couldnt give a fuck
They would be out
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:38, Reply)

LEAVE YOUR YURTPOLITICS OUT OF THIS

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:42, Reply)

ok Peter Rachman calm down
I think there is a clear difference between using an empty property and breaking in to houses, although the law was changed last year to stop residential properties being squatted, you would still have to be resident for 12 years prior to even making a claim for ownership. If a building hasn't been used or claimed for that long then it should be usefully employed.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:22, Reply)

what??
how can you tell someone what they ought to do with their own property? isn't that a bit.... dictatorial?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:23, Reply)

Yep
But aren't all laws? Most laws are in place to benefit the common good i.e. you cant kill someone you don't like. So (and I know getting to this argument with a property lawyer is fucking stupid as I only have a very limited knowledge of the subject) surely it makes sense for someone without a home to utilise an empty property. I agree that damage etc. is not acceptable however there are ways of getting the utilities connected legitimately and so on.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:30, Reply)

"surely it makes sense for someone without a home to utilise an empty property"
only if they want to utilise it! you can't say, "you must do this with your land, because this person has chosen to drop out of society and has nowhere else to go".
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:31, Reply)

Nonsense.
I'll decide when I want to use my stuff, thanks, not you.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:25, Reply)

especially if you've paid for it
and you pay rates on it, and you pay to insure it, and you pay to maintain it. why should you do all that, just so that someone else can sit in it for free?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:26, Reply)

How? In what possible way is it a poor argument?
It's not their building they have no fucking right to be in it
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:18, Reply)

There is a very long history of squatting in England
including veterans after WW2, even Clemmie Churchill approved
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:23, Reply)

Prior to that there was quite a long history of bear-baiting, fox-hunting, and wife-beating.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:26, Reply)

I'm in

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:28, Reply)

There is clearly a long history of you being a crusty hand wringing moron

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:29, Reply)

crusty is a good word for this lot
one of them had a floor length velvet waistcoat covered in stains. rank.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:32, Reply)

If it's floor-length, it surely can't be described as a waistcoat

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:36, Reply)

that's what it looked like
a ghastly overgrown waistcoat
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:42, Reply)

I know exactly what you mean.
I bet if it's a girl she's known as something really lolwaki-but-kinda-cool to her mates, but is actually called Amanda.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:00, Reply)

Sure is...
However, I stand by the point that if a building is genuinely disused then logically it should be used for some purpose, I am not making a case for people to use buildings that are being renovated or have a planned usage. There is a difference,
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:33, Reply)

No it isn't.
I have some empty boxes, would you like keep your stinking vegan shit in one? Maybe use another to store the miscarried fetus your drug addled skank whore of a girlfriend shat out?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:36, Reply)

Yeah go on then, I'll take one of them

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:38, Reply)

its wife ashherly
I would rather have a free house than an empty box please
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:41, Reply)

I know of a nice one-bed flat in Barnes you could liberate.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:42, Reply)

i heard about this great 6 bed house in barnet

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:44, Reply)

Yeah well you can't have one you entitled prick

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:44, Reply)

Boooooo

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:45, Reply)

And who gets to decide whether a building is disused or not?
If it's owned by somebody, then the owner. Not a bunch of fucking junkies who want somewhere to not get eaten by foxes for a few nights.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:38, Reply)

but why?
why should the owner be forced to put it to use? if he wants to leave it empty, isn't that his choice? how would you feel if someone said that you had to let people live in your garden?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:41, Reply)

slightly disingenuous argument there as the garden is in use.
I appreciate that and as I have tried to state a number of times the damage is key issue, I am sure you will be able to correct me but prior to the November law last year wasn't there something regarding the violence of occupation, so as long as there was no damage and you leave when asked (as many squatters did) then I don't see the issue with utilising the property. The problems all arise when violence is used and rights are violated and this goes both ways.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:45, Reply)

It's not the key issue.
Some bunch of cunts living in my building and stopping me from being able to do what I want with my own property is the key bloody issue.

Or simply, you're there when I don't want you to be. Trespass, in other words.
( Kroney, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:47, Reply)

I disagree
I am of the opinion that as long as a building is not in use then it should be utilised.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:05, Reply)

i've been evicting squatters for 12 years and i've only ever known one lot go voluntarily
they all require a court order, because they know it buys them at least a few days, weeks in a busy court district, and during that time they mostly trash the place. look at the comments the LABOUR mp's have made in response to chris grayling's requests for stories as to whether commercial squatting should also be criminalised. even the hand wringers are in favour of it.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:47, Reply)

Cool. Give me all your stuff that you're not using right at this moment.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:56, Reply)

I squatted in his wife while he wasn't utilising her

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:00, Reply)

officegiggle

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:00, Reply)

^ definitely a euphemism

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:02, Reply)

*gives one*

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:05, Reply)

*takes it*

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:10, Reply)

Were you trying to get your boyfriend to shag her, or something?

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:01, Reply)

Thanks mate saved me a job

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 16:02, Reply)

No it's not. I don't have the right to use your 'phone just because you're not using it at the moment.
Or eat your food, or ... well - anything.

They have no right to use it at all. It's not theirs.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:21, Reply)

these ones smashed down doors etc to reconnect water and other utilities, not that they intend to pay for what they've used at all, oh no, let someone else do that for them
so I guess they weren't as filthy as some others I've seen
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:04, Reply)

They should all be decapitated live on facebook

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:12, Reply)

This is a policy I can get behind.
And bum.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:20, Reply)

interesting....

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:24, Reply)