I'd say the internet is a serious place, people have made billions on it, people who had no way of doing it any other way. Reputations have been made and broken on it. It's generated more help for charity than any other media format.
But anyway, if you wanna risk a 'Bad Trip' scaring you for life, poisoning, and potential death....you go right ahead, I'm sure sitting around watching Jermy Kyle or in a field while your mate plays the guitar, or whatever, has lead you to amazing insights into the human mind that will change everything in a possative way for the rest of your life.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:29, 2 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Fucking ell, seriously?
Who has had a bad trip that has had resulted in them being scarred for life? The worst I've had was that I talked to a ghost called Ed and even then I had a class time. Sure people can take it to excess which is daft, but then what's the difference between that and drinking alcohol to excess?
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:33, Reply)

Actually I know a couple.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:34, Reply)

Apparently it can effect your short term decision making, but
"LSD is physiologically well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism."
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:35, Reply)

I am an enormous advocate of hallucinogen use
(as you might imagine) but I can name three people whose LSD use has either exacerbated a pre-existing condition (that no-one knew about) or has genuinely driven them mad, so that they have been zombies unable to function in ‘normal’ society since the late 80s.

The lightweights
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:39, Reply)

Yeep.
Of course, that was from wiki.

I only know a few people who've had encounters with LSD, and I can honestly say that mephedrone has done more damage to them
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:45, Reply)

I've had several hundred doses of LSD
and can honestly say I feel it’s been beneficial to me. I think it’s made me more thoughtful and less selfish, and just in terms of sheer entertainment makes shit like skydiving or whatever ‘extreme’ activity you can name laughably tame. No matter what you’ve done in your life, having a large hit of DMT will far and away be the most intense thing you’ve ever experienced: it’s akin to a religious vision. Fucking NUTS.

Cocaine however, is fucking evil, and to a certain extent HAS ruined my life.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:17, Reply)

You gonna quit the marching powder then?
Save you plenty of money i would imagine.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:27, Reply)

I honestly don't know that I am able to :(

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:38, Reply)

Go for the Ayahuasca detox program, or is that just for smack?
Fuck, i was was watching a program called Taboo last night, looked like a teacher training program, and they were talking about Ayahuasca and how the Mexicans who take it treat it as a Holy Sacrament as opposed to a drug and they had a WATER COOLER full of the brew. Then they showed a woman giving some to a babe-in-arms, seriously, no more than a year old and they are dosing it up with DMT. It made my tired eyes bug out my head.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:47, Reply)

I have considered this.
It works for all sorts of bad habits.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:51, Reply)

now I'm not really
the right person to comment. But I can't reckon LSD could be anything special. In fact I reckon it'd be terrifying. At least with parachute jumping you've actually done something
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:28, Reply)

You've honestly no idea.
DMT rather than LSD is too intense to be terrifying. It's like being shot into outer space. Don't forget that for a time LSD was viewed by some serious and sensible people to be a key to understanding the workings of the mind; it's not merely recreational fun like, say ecstacy...although it can be fucking hilarious....
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:37, Reply)

Yeh', drinking alchole to excess on a regular basses isn't a clever idea eaither.
Loads of people have had bad trips and be scared for life, or because of the drugs, done something like beat up a family member or stranger.

If you had a kid, or a little sister just turning 16, would you be happy if she told you she was taking 'shrooms/MDMA/whatever ?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:36, Reply)

I wouldn't be over the moon.
But as someone with first hand knowledge and experience of it I'd know she's not going to die or do anything daft. I'd rather she took a couple pills than get utterly trolleyed on booze.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:38, Reply)

If it's so safe, how comes you can't buy it at Tescos ?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:45, Reply)

because the public are so stupid that they won't let the government listen to the advice of experts.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:50, Reply)

Quite so.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:51, Reply)

Are there many experts out there who say MDMA/'shrooms/coke/smack/crack are safe?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:59, Reply)

There was an expert who said that MDMA was less dangerous than horseriding, both to the person doing it and others around him.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7876425.stm
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:01, Reply)

and he got fired for it because it wasn't towing the government line.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:06, Reply)

"Downgrade to Class B".
If it's safe, why don't they downgrade it to 'c' ?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:08, Reply)

It's not safe.
But then again neither is alcohol, tobacco, horse riding, race car driving, car driving, or any kind of thing.

But Class C is still illegal.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:11, Reply)

Yeah', class C is still Illigal, but Class B is worst.
If it's only a little bit 'potentially' bad for you, why not bung it in C?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:33, Reply)

The first two, yes - all experts agree these are way less harmful than drink and fags.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:09, Reply)

Not going to do anything daft?
I'm 29, I've been drinking regularly since I was about 15 and yet last saturday I got absolutely shit faced in a town I didn't know and ate a packet of mini snack eggs. Would you trust a sixteen year old high on pills not to eat a packet of mini snack eggs if they were sitting in front of them? Tosser
(Bazongaloid, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:46, Reply)

If they were anything like me on drugs
They wouldn't be able to eat (mini eggs or otherwise) if they were offered a million quid to do so.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:49, Reply)

Your drugs must be shit
Why would you take something that makes you unable to eat? Eating has got to be one of the best things along with shitting and having sex.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:52, Reply)

Mine aren't, believe me,
and apart from opium and pot, they all make eating an alien concept for the duration.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:56, Reply)

If the drugs aren't a bad thing, which is what I think you're saying, is there a reason you hide it from your kid?
I suppose that doesn't make a lot of sense, it's like fucking, you wouldn't fuck someone in front of your kid eaither.... but you see the point there.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:02, Reply)

They're illegal for one.
And I believe if you can live a happy life without drugs then you should. I certainly wouldn’t sing their praises to her – however if in later life I discover she’s taking them I shall be glad to be able to give her the real truth, rather than the frankly ludicrous and utterly untrue government/media hype.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:11, Reply)

Personally, I'd rather take medical advice, goverment lie or not.
I like to think, for the most part, the medical proffesionals have my best interests at heart.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:15, Reply)

Me too.
Medical advice and the government/legal position are at complete odds with each other.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:18, Reply)

I agree.
And I know that, for example, weed was banished in the 'states (and therefore, the 'western world'), because the product of weed, such as Hemp, was at odds with the cotton industry. And as someone who suffers with pain reguarly, I've had mates say things like "Try some weed", and I have done and didn't like it (personally), but I could see what others liked in it; it just wasn't for me. But whenever I speak to any of the verious medical pro's I speak too, they all ask "Do you do drugs? including weed", and all of them say something like "Phew, stay away, bad shit".

Out of all my mates who went uni, and did weed reguarly, which was without counting about 7, all of them were at least pushed back a year, and 1/2 of them dropped out. It's more than safe to say, this was down the weed. Sure, you get high-profile people who smoke it and do well, I'm sure there is a smackhead out there managing his own property portfolios or something like that, too. But I know more people, by a long shot, who have fucked up because of it; than done well on it.... that's personal experiance.

With my dealings with the mental health industry, weather personal to me, or my friends/family, they're all saying that with the uprise in popularity of weed, the figures going through the doors are increasing expodentially.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 15:30, Reply)

You UTTER SAVAGE. Mini snack eggs are REPULSIVE.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:53, Reply)

I NO RITE!
What WAS I thinking. I blame the jaegermeister. And the stupid cunt of a DJ. I also ate a number of mini flapjacks and caramel shortbread.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:59, Reply)

Right, picture this, there you are in town, you're recked, there is a corner shop.
You walk in, and think it's a good idea to stab the shop keeper and rape his corpse and steal his mini eggs. This isn't normal for you, normally you're an upstanding citizen. Under normal circamstances, you would think "I know, I'm not going to rape and murder this shop keeper, I'm going to purchase these mini eggs with my fiscal rewards". So there you are, willy in the stab-hole you made in the shop keeper's chest, and you get arrested. How many prisoners end up with mini snack eggs? Exactly, I've never been to prison, but I doubt you get many.

.... or something like that, I started typing not knowing where I'd end up.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:55, Reply)

*actual office lulz*
Your sage advice is very humbling, but just to put your deranged mind at rest, I have been risking my mental health for over 20 years on such reckless pursuits. I have never seen an episode of Jeremy Kyle and if a friend of mine offered to take a guitar along, it would end up on the fire, with him still playing it.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:37, Reply)

You hero, you.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:43, Reply)

Thanks very much!

(Cancer Joy was short lived, Mon 16 Aug 2010, 14:53, Reply)