I'm going to
On Friday, before I meet Kitty. I have no time during the week.

I was most upset when I asked if I'm allowed to carry a knife or pepper spray to defend myself, and was told no. I can only use "reasonable force" to defend myself. How on Earth am I going to be stronger than a guy?
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:40, 4 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

aim for the eyes & testicles.

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:41, Reply)

I know
but I think all the raped women have thought that before hand too, and at that moment you don't react as you want.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:44, Reply)

One of my very best friends was raped on March 18th this year.
She was walking home on her own in south London and said that she just "froze" when the cunt started grabbing at her. She can land a punch too.
(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:48, Reply)

I always wonder what allows rapists to get away with it unscathed
because I'd like to think that I would fight to the death over it, but I know a woman who was dragged into an alley and she said she just let it happen because she was so frightened that he would knife her or something.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:51, Reply)

Yes, I know of a girl like that
And I've read several stories (in Spain, not here) of women defending themselves and being taking to justice for harming the guy.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:55, Reply)

really?
I would hope that a jury would never convict a woman for defending herself.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:55, Reply)

Even if you kill someone while they were trying to rape you,
you wouldn't go to prison.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:56, Reply)

I'm not sure about that
There have been sentences failing in favour of the rapist because the woman was wearing tight jeans and that was provocative. Or the other one, when a woman didn't fight back because the guy had a knife on her throat, and the judge understood she gave her consent.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:07, Reply)

In the UK you wouldn't.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:12, Reply)

yeah I'm pretty sure you wouldn't over here
although the rapist might win a civil claim and the woman would have to pay damages.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:15, Reply)

Yes, I think it's better for the woman here
but still, if you harm him defending yourself, he can probably take you to court and win the case.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:32, Reply)

depends on the police, evidence etc
good friend of mine got drugged and raped at a houseparty of one of her colleagues. the guy, a friend of her colleague, is saying it was consensual. she has a total mindblank and can't remember anything apart from one flashback, but tests proved that she did have sex. she would never in a million years have slept with him voluntarily.

she has witness evidence as two other girls weren't raped but were drugged and there is cctv footage of her rattling the gates of the development and screaming to be let out afterwards.

the police won't prosecute him because they say there is insufficient evidence.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:50, Reply)

I have been very impressed with how precise and determined the Operation Sapphire officers have been in dealing with my friend's case. When I was interviewed (as a witness not a suspect before anyone says anything) the DC explained to me their biggest frustrations are getting the CPS to take it forward and having everything so watertight that the defence can't pick any holes in the prosecutions case.
(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:53, Reply)

From the conversations I had with the SOIT officer (as I was the first to get to my friend afterwards) this freezing thing is very common.

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:55, Reply)

bit of a coincidence that you 'happened to be nearby' eh?
_{that's quite an insensitive joke, sorry, I must have been hanging out with Monty too often}
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:16, Reply)

Took me 40 minutes to get there in a cab at 1am. Longest 40 minutes I have experienced.

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:18, Reply)

Resonable force is fairly encompassing
if someone's trying to rape you, you're allowed to rape them back.
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:41, Reply)

Yeah, I see that'd work
...
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:43, Reply)

you can do what you need to to fight them off
you're just not supposed to keep stamping on their balls once the threat is over. You're supposed to defend yourself until you can leave the scene.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:50, Reply)

Yes, but I think that's wrong
I think, if I manage to put him down, what I should do is to make sure he can't move and call the police, otherwise, he's just going to run away and try again.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:53, Reply)

Yeah it's a really fine line to tread
If I'd managed to incapacitate him I would want to rain bloody hell down on him for even trying it in the first place, I don't think I'd be able to resist kicking him really hard in the balls.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:56, Reply)

You can say you did it before he was down
it's your word against his.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:07, Reply)

I think that
I'm pretty strong for a girl, but I don't think I'd be able to fend off a male attacker. I think I would just be hoping that if I bit and kicked and scratched enough he'd get fed up.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:42, Reply)

they don't just try to rape you
They like knock you out and shit, if it's the one in Manchester I'm thinking of from a little while back.
Don't be going anywhere on your own.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:46, Reply)

I used to walk home from the train at 10pm but I make Wiggy pick me up now
I read that one of the attacks involved the guy ramming a knitting needle in the poor girl's eye.

And he also leaves them naked at the scene, adding insult to injury.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:49, Reply)

oh my god I would remove his cock with rusty cheesewire

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:50, Reply)

I do really think that sometimes.
If the penalty for rape was castration there probably wouldn't be much rape.

But then there are these stupid bitches who cry rape when they've got pissed and wish they hadn't banged a loser and that makes me really angry.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:52, Reply)

Me too

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:54, Reply)

Me too too

(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:56, Reply)

Nah they tried chemical castration on peados,
just made a bunch of peados angry and then they killed.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:55, Reply)

I suppose removal of the penis wouldn't remove the libido
Let's just stamp RAPIST on their foreheads instead.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:57, Reply)

Rape has very little to do with the libido,
it's much more to do with a sense of power and sadism. That doesn't come from the balls.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:59, Reply)

YOU'D KNOW
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA CHOMPYRAPELOLZ

Also, I meant they'd be super frustrated at not being able to satisfy their libido in a normal way, not just with rapeyness
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:13, Reply)

I never go on my own when it's so late
And even a lot before that. Always go on busy roads. Unfortunately, now I don't have anyone here to pick me. I'm relying in my awful looks with all the winter clothes to put him off.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:52, Reply)

haha me too, he would have to get through so many layers he would be like "fuck this"

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:57, Reply)

Haha, exactly
That's the way forward! Passive protection.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:08, Reply)

Yes, that's the problem
The guy comes using his force or drugs to take you down, and the only thing you can do to defend yourself is to use reasonable force, otherwise, you are the one in trouble with justice.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:50, Reply)

You're overthinking it,
you'll be fine unless you go around looking for rapists with a weapon.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:11, Reply)

Thanks
I feel so much better now.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:33, Reply)

He's right
If you hit a guy in the head with a brick because he's attacking you, you have grounds for doing it. If you do it just because you don't like him, it's a different story.
(PenguinOfDeath is Scottish, and most likely angry, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 14:35, Reply)

Knee in the balls is the best way.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:48, Reply)

This is what I'm relying on

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:49, Reply)

It sounds odd
but, really, there's a very good reason you can't carry a knife - it's an offensive weapon as well as a defensive one. It's very difficult to claim non-premeditated reasonable force if you stab someone with a knife you'd brought out with you, because you're carrying deliberately and therefore have at least considered you might stab someone with it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 3 Nov 2010, 13:57, Reply)