I'm surprised that no-one has touched on this
What exactly is your favourite vice, Monty? Please be slightly more specific/creative than "massive drugs"
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 8:52, 2 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

He's actually a closet bumder

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 8:53, Reply)

It’s rather hard to choose, if I am honest.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:03, Reply)

Hence my interest
/popcorn
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:10, Reply)

My all-time favourite is DMT,
I'm also a huge supporter of 2CI and 2CB, I have something of a love/hate relationship with cocaine. Psilocybin and LSD I love, but I've not had acid more than 3 or four times in the last 15 years. I love high-grade hashish and, although it's rather vulgar, I do have a soft spot for insanely strong skunk - as a day-to-day smoke I prefer Thai. I do like alcohol but it's probably the nastiest for me of all my vices. I like smoking opium too but that I do very, very rarely.

Of course, the abduction, murder and subsequent eating of homeless children remains the vice I love more than any other.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:20, Reply)

Do you find the Asian kids have a more spicy flavour?
Much like a subtle marinade.

I would love some 2CB, i've heard only good things about it.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:24, Reply)

B is better than I if you're a tripper rather than an E-head, but both are great.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:35, Reply)

2CI
Details please. Never tried it and although I've heard a little about it, said information has usually come from the more monged end of my associate spectrum and is therefore not to be trusted
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:26, Reply)

I've had this
it didn't really do much, so maybe I didn't take enough. It was a bit trippy and stuff, but nowhere near as strong as LSD.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:28, Reply)

I have a feeling you must have had an old/stale tablet.
Every time I have taken I or B I've found the dosage of one pill to be spot-on. I last had 2CI on Boxing Day two years ago at a house party and was out of my tiny mind - my vision was bollocksed completely and I am fairly certain I was talking complete shit.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:31, Reply)

this was at a festival and it was a weird hippy who sold it to us on extra strong mints
so I have no idea of the validity of them.

I have yet to try Salvia, I quite like the idea of the effects of LSD for fifteen minutes and then complete normalcy again. That's what puts me off drugs, you've got to be committed for the next 24 hours.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:43, Reply)

DMT is for you.
The main effect lasts no more than 5-10 minutes.

But fuck me - those minutes are incredible.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:44, Reply)

I like the sound of this.

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:44, Reply)

I am evangelical about it.
It's very expensive but is without a shadow of a doubt the most incredible substance I have ever taken. You smoke it, by the way.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:47, Reply)

I would be interested in this
are there after effects? come down type thing?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:49, Reply)

Each time I have smoked it
afterwards I have felt as if my mind has been spring-cleaned. I've felt happy and positive - and frankly flabbergasted at the intensity of what I've experienced. I would rate it 100000/10.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:51, Reply)

that sounds pretty good
I've heard similar about mescaline as well I think.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:52, Reply)

Mecaline is basically mushrooms.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:57, Reply)

I was growing a san pedro cactus (cousin of peyote) when at uni
didn't grow enough for me to be able to reap the rewards though, so had to make do with my homegrown mushrooms instead.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:58, Reply)

Apparantly those peyote cactii take a long time to fruit properly
Over a decade in most cases
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:05, Reply)

they are definitely slow growing
particularly in the Welsh climate
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:06, Reply)

Yeah I would like a go on mescaline.
Burroughs and Huxley both can't be wrong.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:57, Reply)

or Dave Wyndorff from Monster Magnet

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:58, Reply)

I've had green, chewy mescaline tablets
Very nice too. Not a patch on DMT though.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:06, Reply)

sounds good
the comedown from last weekend is one of the worst I've experienced. Normally I don't really feel the effects of the depleted seratonin but Monday and Tuesday I was miserable as fuck.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:58, Reply)

I tend to get a comedown from just having a really good weekend on the booze and spliffs
so I'd be fucked if I took pills and stuff regularly.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:59, Reply)

I can no longer take MDMA
Never, ever again - it makes me miserable as sin afterwards. I have taken ounces of the stuff over the years but I know it's no longer something I can cope with, aftermath-wise.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:02, Reply)

I'm starting to lean that way
I don't do it very often so I wouldn't miss it anyway, but I think Wiggy wishes I would do it more often as he likes to go mad at the weekends, but I have far too much to do at the weekends to be off my face for half of it and recovering for the other half. I only did a bomb as well.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:27, Reply)

Try sourcing some 5-HTP, you get it from health food shops etc
take this in the week leading up to a 'happy weekend', it has the effect of increasing the available seratonin, so you should have some left over after the fact.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:04, Reply)

'It's too late for me, son.'
I am the Darth Vader of ecstasy.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:07, Reply)

Of course LSD varies so, so much depending on the batch.
I've had some you could (and I did) take 8 of - others where one blotter would annihilate you.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:32, Reply)

I've only done it once to see what it was like
I don't know if I'd do it again. I had two sugar cubes of it and everything went all melty, but I didn't fully hallucinate. I wonder if that's because I was still coherent enough to realise that it was the LCD messing with me rather than believing I was actually seeing those things.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:44, Reply)

I only ever got visual distortion, patterns etc on the whole
I only ever really hallucinated a couple of times, whereas my brother...every time he was away with the fairies.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:49, Reply)

Maybe it's because we're not prone to suspending belief
I'm always conscious of what's real and what's not.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:00, Reply)

yeah, I found that calculator screens messed with my head too

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:49, Reply)

haha what the fuck was I thinking?

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:59, Reply)

I constantly ask myself that

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:01, Reply)

Me too.
'What WAS Kitty thinking', I say to myself.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:10, Reply)

LSD, like shrooms can provide incredibly profound insights
and make you piss yourself laughing. LSD, as Monty said, is very hard to guage without taking it first. Liberty cap shrooms are easy to guage and the dosage can be as specific as you wish. Being in control is a very good aspect to hold onto while you are being blown from your earthly moorings.

Unlike LSD, the comedown from shrooms is usually very peaceful and you end up at baseline with no gnashing of teeth, tears or snotters.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:56, Reply)

the comedown from shrooms has been as enjoyable as the high in some of my experiences
peaceful and calm and full of happiness.

also the lack of sensation thing meant that drinking hot chocolate was like a shot of chocolate taste straight to the brain.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:57, Reply)

That last part sounds awesome

(berk, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:01, Reply)

it really was
part of one of the best weeks of my life.

was at Roskilde Festival in Denmark with about 20 friends. We only encountered 2 other English people all week and spent almost every day on mushrooms and chain smoking spliffs.

It was fabulous. The drugs over there were amazing. Had 4 mushroom stalks the first day and I am actually concerned that I will never get that high again it was so good. The shrooms were outrageously strong.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:05, Reply)

Never had shrooms
or indeed most drugs bar weed more than once or twice.
(berk, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:07, Reply)

Shrooms are best had out in the country
in the sun.

Most of my experiences have been amazing, but the last one was shit. I got paranoid (which I blame on my mates), bored if you can believe it, and the best part of the night was when I blacked out while smoking a joint and staring at the sky. I totally tripped out, fell over and hit my face. I also landed in a plant pot and got water all over me so I got paranoid it would make me piss myself.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:13, Reply)

Couldn't agree more about the outdoor aspect
Most of my shroom experience have been indoors, at night, with music or films to trip out on. This is all well and good and has spawned some incredible evenings. Particularly watching the Monkees film, Head then straight onto Koyaanisqatsi.

However, being out in the sun, is simply overwhelming. Clouds in particular are something of a life changing experience, and trees, and fields and whatever else happens to be about.

The best experience I have had on shrooms was in the lake District and my pal took me to Wasdale, and we sat across from the monumental scree slopes and totally tripped right out. To the point where I began to freak out I was getting so high. The multilayered clouds would explode into impossible fractals everytime I glanced at them and the rough sand we were sitting on, and which I was pouring from hand to hand was transforming into glowing multifaceted jewels, every single one I could see in perfect detail, despite their tiny size.

Double thumbs up, what a day!
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:33, Reply)

that's the sort of thing I love
sounds excellent.

I recall sitting outside the dance tent at Roskilde feeling like the bass was an enormous creature approaching from behind me.

Every time I shut my eyes I'd see this vivid orange colour and start feeling like I was accelerating until I was racing forwards at incredible speed. Then the colours would start cycling and it'd seem like I was caning it over this weird landscape just made of colour.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:37, Reply)

Bass monsters ftw

(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:38, Reply)

I hate cocaine
and ket. It's the administration, I hate snorting things, it just feels horrid.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:28, Reply)

ketamine just doesn't sound good at all
I know a load of people who have been robbed and stuff because they've been in a k-hole.

fuck that shit.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:31, Reply)

Tried it twice: hated it.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:35, Reply)

it doesn't sound in any way appealing
after seeing people on that shit that was banned a while back (methedrone was it?) I don't know why anyone would want that either.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:36, Reply)

Tried it. Didn't like it either.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:37, Reply)

yeah Wiggy tried that
said it was like really really shit E. Plus you have to snort that as well and it burns worse than coke.

I've seen guys in k-holes, any drug that requires that much effort to enjoy is not worth it. Wiggy's douchebag friend vomited in my bed when he was k-holing. He'd been eating mixed pepper kebabs though so it was very pretty.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:41, Reply)

I like to get high when I'm on drugs
If I'm not seeing or feeling something amazing or laughing my arse off then I don't want to know
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:46, Reply)

I had it once.
It was fabulous.
( girlinthehole, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:37, Reply)

First time I had it I took way, way too much and nearly choked to death.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:37, Reply)

Bleedin hell!
I knew a few guys who it didn't sit well with but the girls who took it said it was great.
( girlinthehole, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:40, Reply)

I had you down as more of a 2CV man

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:30, Reply)

0/10 see me

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:38, Reply)

I only did it because I'm not cool enough to know what 2CI and 2CB are
Although I have added them to my drugs keyword list, so thanks for that ;)
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:41, Reply)

I LOVE cocaine. Bit too muchtbh but managed to get a grip before it became a problem. Had none since April 2006.

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:34, Reply)

I won't bring any on Sunday.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:36, Reply)

Feel free to. Really doesn't bother me. I know can't participate as it would mess with my epi tablets

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:38, Reply)

Nah I am really trying not to do any.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:42, Reply)

Good man!

(Cancer Joy was short lived, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:10, Reply)

I'll have anything that makes me dance like a loon for 4 hours straight.

( girlinthehole, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:34, Reply)

For me, that need only be a decent DJ playing awesome songs.

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:35, Reply)

Well good music helps too.

( girlinthehole, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:38, Reply)

I don't like music.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:49, Reply)

No one does, it's like the emperor's new clothes

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:01, Reply)

Definitely.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:08, Reply)

Mine is alcohol, specifically Lager.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:11, Reply)

You're sick.

(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:18, Reply)

Hey, I like my ale too!
But I've had so many bad pints, I really can take it or leave it these days
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:22, Reply)

Then you need to change where you drink

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:24, Reply)

Exactly
and you have to learn to choose the pints you drink. And if you don't know any of them, then ask for tasters.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:29, Reply)

Months of being skint has forced me onto lagers
I'll be back on the ales in no time. I do still drink Ruddles every time I'm in Congleton Spoons (pretty reliable)
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:34, Reply)

Beer is cheaper than lager in the pubs near me.

(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:35, Reply)

It's in the pubs I go too
And you can always go for sure winners, like Landlords or Copper Dragon.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:55, Reply)

It's often cheaper
But I know that the lagers will be good, where as the ale is often not near me.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:11, Reply)

It's records
I reckon you could give up the Massive Drugs, but you'd rather let a herd of mountain goats like your face to the bone than part ways with your vinyl collection.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:17, Reply)

I like your face to the bone

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:19, Reply)

I'm not sure how to take this
So I'm going to go with you like me so strongly as to be able to flay people with your 'like'.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:21, Reply)

I was mocking you for writing like instead of lick.

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:29, Reply)

I didn't even notice my error
Motion carries.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:30, Reply)

Idiot
you actually thought I liked your face?
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:39, Reply)

I know you like my face.

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:42, Reply)

you did it again, writing like instead of lick

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:46, Reply)

You have yet to do that
But I know you will at some point.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:48, Reply)

and the bladder squeezing thing

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 10:28, Reply)

Oooh I'd forgotten about my vinyl habit.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:21, Reply)

And your collection of trainers gay footwear.
(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:25, Reply)

I'd forgotten about this!
"ooh shoes!" *minces*
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:30, Reply)

haha
first time I read this I was certain it was Monty who had posted it
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Nov 2010, 9:48, Reply)