Err
"In fact I have never voted for the BNP, and I do not support them. The reason I do not support them is because their membership is largely made up of racists - and I despise racism. It's a shame that this is the case, however, because they are one of the few parties whose policies actually put British citizens first."

Can't you see what's wrong with that statement? It's inherently racist.

Look at Britain's history. We're nation of immigrants who've had wave after wave after wave of "durty forriners" coming over here, stealing our jobs and shagging our women. In my lifetime we've had:

The Afro-Caribbean immigration of the 50's and 60's leading to Enoch Powell's infamous "Rivers Of Blood" speech. We're still here.

Then there was the Ugandan Asians who arrived here in their hundreds of thousands during the 70's when Idi Amin kicked them out. That led to the rise of the National Front screaming "they're over here stealing our jobs" We're still here.

Then comes the EEC and the right of other EEC citizens to come here (obviously, to steal our jobs ) but we're still here, still British.

After that came the expansion of the EEC to include Eastern Europe which led to the racists claiming we'd be flooded with Poles and Slavs who would come over here to steal our jobs, sponge off our tax system and shag our women. We're still here, still British.

When I was last in London I was friendly with a few Poles. They were over here to work for a few years, save up as much cash as they could, then go back to Poland to buy an enormous turnip in the country. They liked the money they could make here (stealing out jobs) but would much rather make a pile (in their terms) then bugger off back to their homeland. Nice bunch - I liked them.

Cheers

(Legless, who's invaded a foreign country to steal their jobs and shag their women)
( Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 14:54, 4 replies)

I don't know.
I stopped feeling British a long time ago. I stopped feeling English when I had to go to court to enforce my son's right to have a father.

I feel loyalty only to friends and family and would nowadays tell anyone appealling to my patriotism to get stuffed.

As for calling people `racists' - reminds me of the quote about it being a handy catch all title to describe anyone with who you disagree from paid up members of the BNP to the milkman's bill you're querying.

Yes. I have ancestors who were illegal immigrants if I'm going to wave my PC credentials about.
(Audax Victor, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 15:08, closed)

I Can Get That.
About your son. Some of the legal/political shit stinks in Britain. But it's the same the world over.

But I can't get you not wanting to be, or feeling, English/British.

For me, I'm Geordie (and that can be sub-divided into exact areas) first, then a Northerner, then English, then British, then European, and now a British ex-pat. I'm proud of all of them.

Cheers
( Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 15:21, closed)

It makes me ttiter
when I see a comment on the Daily Mail site along the lines of:

Bloody immegrants blah, blah etc,
Steve, ex-pat.

Do they not see the irony?
( sandettie light vessel automatic New Twitter - @bollocksreally, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 18:45, closed)

^^ This
My former boss was Polish and made no secret of the fact that she was saving up to buy a house in Poland and set up home there. Not that it would have been a problem if she'd wanted to stay, of course: she was a regular taxpayer and contributed to the economy to exactly the same degree as a gainfully and legitimately employed British citizen would have.

She didn't even 'steal' any 'British jobs' - she set up her own company and ran everything pretty much herself.
( .Yeti. El amor en los tiempos del cólera, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 15:13, closed)

That's fine
Again - please see my reply to Legless below.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 15:40, closed)

Seems like you missed the point. Did you not actually read my post?
Can't you see what's wrong with that statement? It's inherently racist.

You appear to be confusing "racism" with the simple premise that a country's government's first responsibility should be towards its own citizens. Racism is when someone is discriminated against because of their race or ethnic background. I'm talking about citizenship here, which has nothing to do with race. The British government should favour a black British citizen over a white Russian citizen.

Look at Britain's history. We're nation of immigrants who've had wave after wave after wave of "durty forriners" coming over here

*sigh*
Yet another person who is unable to grasp the significance of what's been happening to this country over the past decade or so. Please get this: yes, we're a "nation of immigrants". However, this has been a gradual process over the course of millennia. People have immigrated into this country, and been assimilated into society. What's we're facing now is VERY different: huge numbers arriving en-mass, bringing with them vastly different values and ethics, and creating "us and them" divisions within our nation. The fact all of our ancestors probably came from all corners of the globe, hundreds or thousands of years ago, bears no relation whatsoever to the current immigration problem.

The Afro-Caribbean immigration of the 50's and 60's

What relevance does this have to my post? I already said that I have no problem with those people who immigrated here and worked hard and created lives for themselves. The people who came here 50 years ago did not do so because they wanted to claim benefits.

"they're over here stealing our jobs"

I said nothing about stealing jobs - so what relevance does this have?

Then comes the EEC and the right of other EEC citizens to come here (obviously, to steal our jobs )

Yet again, you appear to have missed the point of my post. Yet again, I will repeat that I have no problem with someone who comes here legally to work, and not to scrounge.

When I was last in London I was friendly with a few Poles. They were over here to work for a few years, save up as much cash as they could, then go back to Poland to buy an enormous turnip in the country.

And good luck to them - I totally agree. If there's a job vacancy that a lazy British person refuses to take, then I say jolly good luck to the Polish guy who takes it. I hope he earns a packet.

Yet again - it's not about "taking our jobs" (did you see that South Park episode? hehe). It's about people who come here to take, and not to give.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 15:39, closed)

But..
Yet again - it's not about "taking our jobs" (did you see that South Park episode? hehe). It's about people who come here to take, and not to give.

This is one of the great myths. The proportion of immigrants who come over to Britain simply to sponge off the welfare state is so small as to be statistically insignificant. But the FEAR of people who come over here simply to sponge off the welfare state is MASSIVE.

Think about it. The people who have the get-up-and-go to leave where they were born and travel thousands of miles to settle in a place where they don't know the language or customs aren't the type to simply sit back and rub their hands and say "Great lads. We're in the Land Of Milk And Honey and all we have to do is sit back and let the silly British folk look after us."

No. They're, mostly, the type of people who, on arriving in Britain think "How can I get money to make my life better. How can I find a wife, have kids and make sure that they're educated so they have a better life than I did". So they'll take every job they can - mostly low paid and menial - to make their life better than mere subsistence. Yes, a hefty proportion of them will claim benefits and work "on the black" but, over time, most of them end up working legally. Still in a shit job but they'll do everything in their power to educate their kids and give them a chance at the good life.

Immigration isn't a thing to be feared. Most of them integrate so successfully into society that by the third generation they're buying the Daily Mail and wailing about damn immigrants, coming over here, taking, not giving and so the cycle goes on.

Here's something to ponder. Name me ONE society where peaceful immigration has caused it to crash and burn.

Cheers
( Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 16:02, closed)

I think perhaps people
are ignoring the actual biggest fear here. Forget about the indigenous population being angry about welfare sponges (there are enough of those around in Britain around at the moment.) What people are scared of is *culture* change. There is far more froth-flecked ranting about conspiracy theories with the Jews and the Muslims etc taking over, or the racial purity being compromised, than there is genuine economic worry (which sadly serves as a cover for such bigotry.)
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 16:14, closed)

Dear God..

Racial purity.

I smoke too much, drink too much and don't exercise enough and I still rarely get sick. I put it down to "hybrid vigour".

I love being a mongrel.

And I agree with most of what you said. But cultural change is always going on. Anyone time-warped from the 40's or 50's into today's society would probably drop dead of culture shock.

Cheers
( Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 16:25, closed)

Yeah
cultural change is needed. I'm just pointing out that a lot of the ranting about 'taking our jobs' is a cover up for even less socially acceptable views
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 16:37, closed)

"What's we're facing now is VERY different: huge numbers arriving en-mass, bringing with them vastly different values and ethics, and creating "us and them" divisions within our nation."
Pfft, those nasty insular bigots, creating an "us and them" division that you are quite powerless to oppose. Eye, mote, etc.
( Flapjack I spay a little mare for you, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 10:19, closed)

It's a full 10 kilospoons and no mistake, Flappers.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 11:32, closed)

The general perception of West Indian immigrants in the 1950s was that they were lazy and contributed nothing to the economy.
Not at all accurate in any way, but tits like you believed it.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 18:21, closed)

And here the personal abuse starts
Sad. Up until now we have had reasonable arguments. Now you call me a "tit".

Your assessment of me is made through ignorance. You think that I am prejudiced, and that I don't know what I am talking about.

The truth is that I do know what I am talking about, because I have first-hand experience of all of this. And the fact that you presume such things about me makes you the prejudiced tit.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 19:19, closed)

Do you. Do you REALLY.
Name your sources, so to speak. What job is it that you do/did?
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:37, closed)

Also, this is b3ta. You come out with bollocks like this here
and you'll get called a tit (or worse). I've not got the patience to mollycoddle you.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:57, closed)

Don't forget the Angles, the Saxons, the Picts, the Celts, the Brettons, the Romans, the Vikings and the Normans

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 10:42, closed)

Please see my reply to Legless above
"The Angles, the Saxons, the Picts, the Celts, the Brettons, the Romans, the Vikings and the Normans" came here over hundreds of years, gradually.

And back then there was no welfare state. They did not come to sponge.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 19:21, closed)

Let's look at history
a) No they didn't.

b) so you'd be happier if they came to overthrow, loot and rape?
( Flapjack I spay a little mare for you, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:16, closed)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. 'gradual process'
No, sorry, I shouldn't laugh, you're right, the Romans, Angles, Saxons and Vikings settled down quietly, gradually and respectfully of our indigenous culture.

They didn't sponge... they just took.
If you're advocating immigrants sacking and pillaging local religious institutions so that they don't have to rely on the Welfare state then that's a bit odd to say the least. I'm sure Bede would have something to say about that.
( TFD is sporting this season's finest necropants, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 14:22, closed)

CRO-MAGNONS OUT!
KEEP BRITAIN NEANDERTHAL!
( stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Wed 7 Apr 2010, 13:22, closed)