Nick Clegg
He betrayed millions of students, such as myself.

It seems the only thing he can do is bend over for the PM and let him have his wicked way with him.

Major kudos to the students for not doing the same.
( Bourbon Fox Bourbon is a moron, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:10, 23 replies)

Nevermind, chin up.
Tertiary education is not a right it's a privilege.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:14, closed)

Yeah
Besides, I think I might be finished with uni before the rise comes into effect.
( Bourbon Fox Bourbon is a moron, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:17, closed)

Dunno, I tend to regard Clegg as a "useful idiot"
in that all the anger that should be directed at Gideon Osborne and co has been targeted at him.
( wotofco pissing in your swimming pool, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:15, closed)

Nobody cares what Furries think

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:16, closed)

Pwned.

( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:18, closed)

Awwwwwwww, diddums.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:25, closed)

Kudos to the cunt that swung from the Cenotaph?
Or to the one that pissed up the Winston Churchill memorial? No. I think not.

No sympathy at all. Part funded by us tax-payers anyway so if you don't like the thought of paying back a large amount of money due to 3 years of boozing and kebabs then get a job, easy.

Nick Clegg? Spineless fucktard...
( addickted has attained freedom, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 13:37, closed)

I never said I agreed with the vandalism.

( Bourbon Fox Bourbon is a moron, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:13, closed)

The statue and the Cenotaph?
Oh, noes! Won't somebody think of the inanimate objects?!
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:13, closed)

You've just given me my new fine art project.
I'll just go waste some funds.
( Christian's Bolt and Ski, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:14, closed)

*burns your embassy*

( wotofco pissing in your swimming pool, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:31, closed)

Yay!
Warmth!
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:34, closed)

Yeah those two idiots were crap protesters. Decent publicists probably.
Doesn't invalidate the argument that it's all completely beyond that word "fairness" being bandied about a lot.
( Christian's Bolt and Ski, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:13, closed)

I particularly liked the two protesters
who when asked by the BBC "Can you tell me what you're protesting about?"
just said "Er....no...I don't know" and the other one just said "It's disgraceful! DISGRACEFUL!" and that was it.
( Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 18:05, closed)

Yeah I can't really say I expected much
Hope, naturally, was limited too.
( Christian's Bolt and Ski, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 21:09, closed)

I personally feel a bit sorry for them
It is all well and good telling them to get a job but there aren't many. It seems the people that enjoyed further education years ago are the very same people now that object to funding and now want to protect their tax pound. I like to see it from the larger persective, which is the fact that more decently educated people there are, the better for our society. It's definately better if we have educated people from all kinds of different backgrounds not just from private schools, not sure if everyone gets the true consequences of these cuts.
(bROKEN aRROW PUA HVI Master, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:48, closed)

^this!^
Very fucking much!

I didn't have the chance to go to uni, I wish I had. In the future, many people will feel the dissapointment I do.
( sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 14:58, closed)

Just because I got an unfairly good deal doesn't mean others should.
I mean, fuck it - my ancestors were allowed slaves - why can't I have some?

Not everyone is fit for tertiary education - god knows I wasn't - and if you're going that far you should pay your way.

I don't see why I should have to pay for the elite to study - they should stand and fall on their own merit.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 15:46, closed)

Ah - but
the cuts in funding - and the removal of the grant - have made it more likely that only the social elites can study...

I'm tempted to agree that people should be able to stand or fall academically on their own merit; would that everyone got that much of an opportunity.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 16:11, closed)

Yes but this isn't denying anyone anything.
It's just saying, "You want a uni education? You pay for it.".

To stop people whining about how they're working class and can't afford it, they're saying "OK - you can pay it back.".

It's very simple and not unfair at all. It's just the spoilt ones are getting uppity about not getting their own way.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 16:18, closed)

I
think it's more a question of how you want things to be funded. Some things like hospitals, the army, the police and primary and secondary education we fund through central taxation because we believe they're of benefit to all society whether each individual uses them or not. I happen to believe the same thing of tertiary education, you obviously don't.
(Hippo_of_Doom, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 18:42, closed)

Tertiary education will be no more or less available than it is now.
You pay for it after you have finished your degree and when you are earning over 21k and can afford it.

The difference between now and the future is that you will be paying more over a longer period of time. You will be paying it back with the money you will have earnt from the well paid job you will have got because of the degree you will have studied for.

Hopefully it will act as a deterrant to people, like me, who went to university for want of anything better to do, studied very little for a degree of no value (business studies 2:2) and now find myself teaching English in Spain and not paying back any of my student loan because I don't earn enough money.

It is equally available to everyone and everyone will have to pay it back. What I am worried about is that market forces will dictate that the cost of good, popular degrees will be more than for shitty joke degrees. Thus people will be tempted to study something crap like Business Studies because it is cheaper than say Medicine.
(Little Animal Disaster isn't finishing what he started, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 19:29, closed)

In the long term it all seems well and good, but everyone seems to be forgetting that students will be offered loans to pay for the fees, meaning more money will be given out in the short term coming from taxpayers so it'll be years before the government will even reap the awards for raisng the fees. I don't agree with it personally. I did go to uni and am paying my loan back slowly, so can't imagine how long it's going to take to pay back the fees as well as the standard student loan.
(Shapethrower It's what you want, Thu 23 Dec 2010, 22:58, closed)