This ought to confuse some crusties.
Shorthaul flights are actually more environmentally friendly than trains when their "full life cycle" is taken into account.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:44, archived)

GOSH, REALLY?
REALLY?

WOW
( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:45, archived)

Make them go away gilg :(

( TonyUNDERSCORE from the Internet, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:46, archived)

I miss Wormulus :(((
he just sent me a GAZ saying he doesn't want his real name associated with the word "Wormulus"

so, I better not start messing with Google search results here, that could end in tears
( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:48, archived)

What exactly brought this on?

( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:49, archived)

who cares?

( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:50, archived)

Good point

( Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:51, archived)

When you reply, tell him I miss him
His threads are way better than most.
( SuperMatt, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:49, archived)

I'll regret asking, but where has he gone?

( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:54, archived)

even further up his own arse
if that's possible
( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:03, archived)

Wormulus Sebastien Winnett you mean?
Wormulus Sebastien Winnett
Wormulus Sebastien Winnett
Wormulus Sebastien Winnett
Wormulus Sebastien Winnett
Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett Wormulus Sebastien Winnett
( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:51, archived)

Winnet...
...http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=winnet
( lion-cake Bad lion-cake, bad., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:53, archived)

I'd probably spell his name right though, it'd be better that way

( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:53, archived)

His Facebook has two Ts.
That's where I got it from. Nevermind.
( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:55, archived)

I meant his first name

( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:57, archived)

I've just failed all round today.
Sorry.
( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:05, archived)

hahahaha
"Subject is not noteworthy, page has been created as a joke as "Winnet" is a slang term for faecal adhesion."
(King Baby Duck more than a ceiling, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:53, archived)

Its this:
Sebastian Winnett
( lion-cake Bad lion-cake, bad., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:57, archived)

Thanks. I've given up.

( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:07, archived)

I bet Planearm is gearing up to tell us about his choice of stationary as we speak

( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:47, archived)

are you scared of science?
luddite.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:47, archived)

www.b3ta.com/talk/1302567
( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:48, archived)

I want a forbidden hat too :'(

( Donkey Gums @mattcomedy, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:49, archived)

if you refresh it seems to display.
stupid apache is stupid.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:50, archived)

bork bork bork!

( Donkey Gums @mattcomedy, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:52, archived)

Oh no, is it forbidden?
Crap. We need a new science hat.
( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:52, archived)

blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/PopularScience/9-1933/lrg_magic_hat.jpg
( Donkey Gums @mattcomedy, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:55, archived)

Nice.

( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:56, archived)

rlv.zcache.com/i_heart_love_science_hat-p148471598438268499qz14_400.jpg
(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:55, archived)

Too modern.
Good work though.
( Jobe, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:56, archived)

Yeah, your thread was immense!

(King Baby Duck more than a ceiling, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:48, archived)

I JUST DON'T CONTRIBUTE

( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:49, archived)

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ON TELEVISION INSTEAD

( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:55, archived)

i for one would like to discuss my current phone contract and how many free minutes i get

( rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:59, archived)

hello pikey bird

( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:02, archived)

hello sexy

( rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:09, archived)

I sometimes have to get the plane to work in the morning

( turb0t, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:46, archived)

The trains are just way too packed
AMIRITE?
( SuperMatt, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:47, archived)

Yeah
and what's the deal with airline food anyway?
(Bazongaloid, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:50, archived)

You can't cut anything with those plastic knives

( SuperMatt, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:51, archived)

if you travel business class
they give you knives made of METAL.

Everybody knows that people who travel biz class or 1st class are not terrorists.
( turb0t, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:52, archived)

no, its because sometimesI have to go to an office that isnt in the uk
if I am lucky I can come home that night, or at the very latest, the next morning. Other times I end up staying away from home for up to 2 or more weeks.
( turb0t, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:52, archived)

I did work out once that a long-haul flight is far more economical than driving.
Not that you would drive that sort of distance anyway.
Just divide a plane's specified range by its specified fuel capacity and number of passengers. A737 gets something like 80mpg per person, I don't remember exactly.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:47, archived)

I used to drive from aberdeen to birmingham
Until I realised that I could fly for less money and it would take me two hours rather than 7, and i wouldn't die if i fell asleep.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:48, archived)

just worked it out again,
it's about 48mpg each for a 737-500.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:50, archived)

thats shit economy
my mum's Nissan Micra does better than that.
( turb0t, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:54, archived)

oh come on, it's not that bad.

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:56, archived)

I think I'll be driving to America in my mums Nissan Micra in future.

( turb0t, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:58, archived)

That's about the same as my dads car.
I think mine did 30-40ish. Hang on:
50l = ~11 gal
brum - aberdeen = (~430 miles, which pretty much rinsed my tank)
430/11 = ~39

In practise that was at 70 the whole way, driving at around 90 cost me an extra tenner. which would be around 2 gals extra, giving around 33.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:56, archived)

*throws vegan slippers out the window*
AHHH FAAACKIN' HELL IT'S ALL GONE TA POT!!!
( Donkey Gums @mattcomedy, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:48, archived)

What difference does this make at all?

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:48, archived)

Air France only filling half up...

( Donkey Gums @mattcomedy, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:53, archived)

What about when their 'full life cycle' isn't taken into account?
Anyway, this headline promised fun, delivered little.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8089102.stm
(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:49, archived)

well why would you want to know without full life cycles?
the full life cycle is the important bit.

which is also why toyota prius's are actually piles of shite, if you want a green car get a good diesel.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:51, archived)

I might want to know so that I can skew the results in favour of my own green agenda.

(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:54, archived)

it's relevant in the US where they would have to build new infrastructure,
not so much over here where we already have train lines and stations.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:58, archived)

Trains use fuck loads of energy.
They're nowhere near as good as people think they are.
( Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:56, archived)

i don't think 'good' and 'train' should ever be used in the same sentence.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 14:58, archived)

Why not?
There's nothing wrong with trains unless you use them every single day, but what kind of normal person uses a plane every day?
( Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:00, archived)

good implies a positive experience.
'mediocre' would be a better term, based on my own personal experience anyway.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:01, archived)

I've never had much negative experience of them,
but then, I've never had to commute.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:03, archived)

A train isn't supposed to be a high class experience.
Neither is a low cost airline.

Use first class for train or plane if you want anything other than mediocre.
( Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:03, archived)

Pilots?

(PsychoChomp, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:01, archived)

I meant to commute.

( Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:02, archived)

It takes just over four hours to get to London on the train from Edinburgh,
when you add on the time it takes to get to and from the airport at each end, and the checking in time, it isn't really any quicker.
I don't know what it costs.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:02, archived)

a carpenter?

( mongychops, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:03, archived)

haha

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:04, archived)

:)

( Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Mon 8 Jun 2009, 15:06, archived)