Hi!
Rage Against the Machine is Shit, cause Zach DeLaRocha is fake as fuck.

I do know this for a fact.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:01, archived)

I'm pretty sure if you go up to him and tell him that
he'll punch you just like an actual person. Not fake at all.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:02, archived)

I doubt he would
But hey, he could try...
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:05, archived)

INTERNET HARD MAN RIGHT HERE

( Dave Trouser ; the people's choice - 75% agree, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:54, archived)

fuck off noob

(GoldenFanjita whistle posse blow! horns crew i can't hear you!, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:03, archived)

It's true
Noob. He grew up in Irvine. His parents are both Lawyers. They suck ass. You suck balls :P
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:05, archived)

and what do you allege that he claims?

(GoldenFanjita whistle posse blow! horns crew i can't hear you!, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:19, archived)

I don't allege anything
I have a problem with someone growing up in an extremely affluent area trying to be down with the common man. Talking about being oppressed when you are rich is hypocritical. That's not to say I wouldn't agree that he or they (the band) should try to help the working class.

But don't try to identify with me. Don't be down with the common man when you have never known what the fuck it's like. Don't tell me that you feel like I fucking feel, and that you "know my struggle". Help me, don't parade it to make money. Which is ultimately what they did.

SO yeah, I have a problem with them.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:36, archived)

yeah, and fuck off to Bon Jovi
you're not a fucking cowboy, you ain't foolin' nobody
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:38, archived)

Yeah, and Bruce Dickenson, you twat
Neither you nor any other member of Iron Maiden have been Tailgunners. Or Troopers, for that matter. You lying cunts.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:41, archived)

Bruce Dickenson's the one from Little Angels, isn't he?

edit: No, they're BOTH Dickinsons.
( Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:44, archived)

I only really care about Nicko McBrain

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)

He's opening a rib restaurant in the USA
with a really badly spelled menu.
( Druid, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:51, archived)

i'm not sure
any of abba's members trained to be super troopers
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:57, archived)

So basically, you're a snob?

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:39, archived)

A poor one, yes.
:D I have problems with anyone trying to identify like that.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:43, archived)

I suppose all AIDS charity workers ought to contract HIV
before they're allowed to dish out any pathos.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)

You are completely missing my point
and therefore are just being an argumentative cunt.

I am not saying that they shouldn't help. I am saying it's hypocritical to say "We're poor"

They're not poor. Never have been.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:55, archived)

I can't think of a song where they've claimed to be poor.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:57, archived)

Why does Wikipedia disagree with you?
Apparently his father was an artist and his mother an anthropologist and they were separated from each other. Not lawyers. Not super-affluent.

He also apparently suffered racism due to his Mexican heritage.

Sounds really privileged.
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:01, archived)

Okay
If you say so.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:02, archived)

I don't say so
I have no idea about the man. But I can read Wikipedia as well as the next person.

You seem to know all about him though. Just wondering what your source was.
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:04, archived)

what if the next person is Stevie Wonder?

( Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:12, archived)

I bet Stevie Wonder has a personal butler
whose only task is to read out Wikipedia entries to him.
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)

Oh soz
Knew him. Met him.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:13, archived)

You could have said
"I don't like RATM. I don't enjoy that sort of music and I met Zack de la Rocha and thought he was a twat" and everything would have been fine.

But you started making baseless accusations and prejudiced statements based on inverted snobbery about his perceived wealth and privilege. Then you got snotty when people challenged your prejudices.
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:41, archived)

The Steve Miller Band aren't even space cowboys. I'm fucking outraged.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:42, archived)

Doesn't matter
you are all going to belittle me for my opinion. I made a concise argument, and only I know.. so, whatever.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)

Yes, yes. We are THE MAN that is keeping you down. You stupid fucking prick.
You can't even see how much of a stupid fucking prick you are, can you?
( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:46, archived)

no I am not, you little bastard
I have my opinion. That is all. Cock off.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:52, archived)

your opinion was badly explained
your argument was wide open to criticism, since you haven't bothered to eplain further or provide prrof or examples of wha tyou are suggesting then there is no point trying to find a horse high enough

btw: i should know i get myself into this kind of trouble quite often enough
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:59, archived)

It was
wasn't it? Eloquence is not my strong suit. And I do not really have the evidence, save for knowing people who knew him, to back my claims up.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:04, archived)

b3ta will never just take your word for it

(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:07, archived)

Yeah, I know
But I am arguing on the internet!

Look at me!!!

WHee!!!! This place is stupid and I curse the day they ever made /talk
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:16, archived)

You're a massive prick of less merit than Sexface.

( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Tue 15 Dec 2009, 8:07, archived)

so having parents as laawyers genetically impairs you from making rock music?

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:21, archived)

No...
It impairs you from talking about what it's like. He would never have known what being poor or oppressed means. Not in Irvine.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:37, archived)

Why do affluent people have less empathy than poor people?
No one can know exactly what it's like for anyone else. Being affluent doesn't stop you being human or having difficulties that can help you relate to someone else.

Or is he only allowed to sing songs about dinner parties and house prices?
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:42, archived)

Fuck You, I Won't Restructure My Finances

( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:43, archived)

Killing in the name of a sensible pension plan and a college fund for the children

( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:45, archived)

Here's where I get to really ask
What do you know of being poor? This isn't derogatory, or an insult. I really want to know.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:46, archived)

The man lives in Poland, for fuck's sake.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:47, archived)

Oooh, ooh, ask me! Ask me!!

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:50, archived)

No
I know you have been :(
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:53, archived)

Are you asking me personally
or asking RATM as some sort of open question? Because my tale of poverty is so fucking harrowing it would make you weep, you petty little child.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:53, archived)

So tell me then
I was asking you, you insulent prick. It's not a rude question. It's a question. Have you ever been poor? I don't fucking know you, so I don't know.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:57, archived)

So Im telling you I have
and yet it's neither relative nor crucial to this debate. That's like arguing white people can't support black rights movements, or the Western sympathy for Tibet is a joke because we've never been oppressed. Musicians making apt art that is able to speak directly to someone's emotions and justly represent the plight or pain of an individual or group is no less diminished if the artist hasn't personally experienced it. You're just being a sanctimonious prick who likes diminishing other people's achievements.

Let me ask YOU a question. Have you ever produced a music album? Have you ever slaved your guts out with a team of like-minded musicians day and night, going without sleep, trying to nail the perfect mix that encapsulates perfectly the raw emotion you feel? No, you haven't, because you're a lazy cretin who'd rather point the finger at the easy target than actually do something worthwhile. Now go and play, you ridiculous little maggot.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:02, archived)

I knew this was worth waiting for.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:05, archived)

ooooooooooo
I am so scared... really, what are you going to do?

No, I have not stayed up for days making an album. I do not want to diminish other peoples' achievements.

I have absolutely no problem with them as musicians. TO be in fact, I own some of their albums and find the music quite good. But how can you rightly, as a person, say that you understand me, when you don't? WHen you couldn't because you have never REALLY lived it.

Here's an example. I have a friend that considers himself worldly because he traveled to Asia. He grew up very affluent and wants to talk about nothing but how he's so fucking awesome and in touch with the indigent peoples of wherever the fuck. He's a genuine traveler, right?

So I asked him, did he once eat with them, or spend weeks living as they did? No. He was a tourist, passing through. That's their lives. I submit that Mister Zach is a fucking tourist. ANd I happen to know I'm right.

So lick it up, faggot. I can bitch slap on the internet as well.

Ooooooooo..... scary you....
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:11, archived)

This is literally the best thing I've ever seen.
Note for anyone looking through THE LIST: Scoopzilla is a massive prick.
( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:13, archived)

wow
you right clicked this all by yourself?
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)

I bet he's now going to accuse Grrmachine of trolling.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)

There'll be clique accusations in less than 10 posts.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:19, archived)

nah
cause I don't care
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:20, archived)

Clearly.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:22, archived)

No I mean
all you lot do is push your own agenda and jump down the throats of anyone who disagrees; all while calling them cunts.

SO.. whatever. You're internet awesome and I am clearly a nitwit. Whatever. You go with that.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:27, archived)

CLIQUE ACCUSATIONS!

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)

Even the self-important idiots are stale and completely predictable :(

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:22, archived)

You're not my real dad you can't tell me what to do
*runs upstairs*
( Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)

*slams bedroom door*

( Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:19, archived)

YOU'LL EAT YOUR GODDAMNED PEAS IF I HAVE TO MAKE YOU SIT THERE ALL NIGHT!
so frustrating...
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)

So what you've done is transposed an entirely different story in place of an argument
that's not a bitchslap. That's you failing Rhetoric 101. That's you showing you're not mature enough to follow a coherent train of thought or intelligent enough to reply with a relevant answer.

But character assassinations aside, your argument suggests that Shakespeare is worthless because he was never a Danish Prince who had his father killed by his uncle. It's a music album. It's the voice of an artist. If he feels a link with a group, and is able to express the voice of that group in such a way that that group appreciates it, then surely he's even greater than the average poor person for being able to attune himself to their feelings.

So fuck off for six years, grow up, then come back when you've either got a decent argument or some decent insults, you teenager.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:18, archived)

and again
it's about my age. I am willing to guess you're young.

But again, really... what are you going to do? c'mon...
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:19, archived)

This isn't about threats, is it
this is just about showing you up for the clumsy-headed prejudiced fool that you are. You'd better throw your Decemberist CDs away, they were never chimbley sweeps and I bet you hate them talking to you as they identify with the plight of the Victorian street urchin, the fucking fakers.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)

Then I should
you filthy nonce.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:38, archived)

and fairytale of new york might have beensung by people
who looked like they were dirnking too much and....oh
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:47, archived)

so that mate of mine who is teachin and travelling
in asia and has never gone on about the plight of the people a sif he may bleed their blood for them is in fact quite sensible for neve rhaving bothered to mention to me how people live when he's seen it for quite some every fucking day of the week

btw just because you have rich parents you don't automatically become a snobby little fucker who's only pleasure in life is money
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:20, archived)

You're not here
so how can you know? Come visit, and if you don't believe me you will before you leave.

And I applaud your mate. This isn't the same thing.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:25, archived)

so...everyone can have different experiences despite their background
and place in the world, relating to things differently. possibly becuase of this or in spite of it
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:30, archived)

Well, I must be wrong
the internet says so.

Whatever.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:44, archived)

broader perspective other than
just your own
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 22:01, archived)

now that I disagree with
in at least one sense.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 22:03, archived)

*LOUD APPLAUSE*

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:17, archived)

where is irvine?

(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:47, archived)

In a state made of solid gold, from the sounds of it.

( JessAction Give me all your expensive brandy and hubcaps., Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:48, archived)

where you just can't be poor, its just not possible
i'm sure thats the where they've been bottling the american dream isn't it?
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:51, archived)

Don't knock it
until you know for sure. That's not wrong actually. You couldn't be poor and live in Irvine. I am not exaggerating.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:54, archived)

irvine in california?

(Just Harry What should I put here?, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:04, archived)

Yeppers :D
That'd be the one.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:05, archived)

Yes you can. You can be poor anywhere.
Don't be silly.

www.city-data.com/poverty/poverty-Irvine-California.html
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:06, archived)

SO come on down and check it out
I am not lying.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:15, archived)

America is one of the most affluent countries in the world
Therefore no one there is poor.

It's a rubbish argument, isn't it?
( in vino veritas, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:27, archived)

No, actually
we're the richest country in the world. No one SHOULD BE poor, but there are...
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 23:10, archived)

According to the Proclaimers somewhere near Leith

( Derek Monte subthread killer: qu'est-ce que c'est, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 21:23, archived)

How do you know he's fake?
Can you see the little plastic cap that you blow in to inflate him?
( Edd: The Unfunny Try-Hard Edgelord, Mon 14 Dec 2009, 20:36, archived)