One thing I haven't worked out.May is allowed to bring her deal back for 3 votes and counting, but maintains the electorate have made their final decision based on one vote 3 years ago.
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 18:21,
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I thought I was the only one wondering
mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 19:42,
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holy shit you guys should email parliament or somethingwhy has no one else thought of this? or maybe everyone was thinking it but never thought to say it? fuck.
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artifus is doing it all wrong,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 19:48,
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Ah, but you're forgetting she also has the 'mandate'Of a General Election in which she lost her party's entire majority and had to bribe another 10 people just to let her form a Government; 10 people who have never supported her on the issue she based the whole collaboration on.
Still, at least that campaign wasn't later found to have been illegally funded or misrepresented in any way.
(Still, at least that campaign wasn't later found to have been illegally funded or misrepresented in any way.
joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 20:42,
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# One thing I haven't worked out.- why let me explain it to you! In 1973 the UK joined the European Community (Common Market)and held a referendum in 1975 to ask the people if membership should continue. The people voted 67% to remain. All was well, the EC was made up of countries with broadly similar economies with populations that didn't really move much except for the Irish but they could live in the Uk anyway already. In the 1980s Spain, Portugal and Greek joined and a lot of money was spent getting their infrastrctures and economies up to speed. In 1989 Berlin wall fell with the reunification of Germany and massive spending to get the East side up to speed. Everything changed in 1993 when the EU was founded, and the largely economic union moved more towards a social and political one with EU law and ECJ really starting to creep.This was the year the anti-federalist party UKIP was founded. Then 1995 Schengen Area was introduced abolishing passport control, then 1999 Euro introduced locking in a competitive advantage for Germany and allowing the poorer countries access to the capital markets. Then they let in the Baltic states and a bunch of backward ex-USSR economies with an hourly wage of £1.50. Immigration rates in the Uk rocketed from 10,000 a year to over 500,000 arriving each year. By 2015 UKIP were getting 4 million votes (12%) but only one seat (the SNP only got 4.8% of the vote and returned 56 MPs). The Conservative party was deeply split and were in danger of losing the election comnpletely so promised a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. It worked they won, cue project fear, they lost the referendum and Art 50 is triggered and we are leaving "no deal is better than a no deal!" repeated until January 2019 when it is revealed that 70% of MPs are remainers and the "people's vote" campaign is born. We should leave, then you remainers can form your own political party and campaign to join for 25 years and if you get enough backing another referendum will be held. Surely you can see the equity in that?
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Fri 29 Mar 2019, 20:10,
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The country is called 'Greece', not 'Greek'.'UK' is the normal abbreviation for the United Kingdom, not 'Uk'.
The word 'Completely' does not, generally, have an 'n' in it.
The Schengen agreement did not include the UK, so is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The UK had complete freedom to limit immigration from the Eastern European states that joined the EU. Germany did. The UK Government decided not to.
As for your assertion that "No deal is better than a no deal"; I find myself struggling to grasp how any one thing is better than itself.
And yet you still fail to address the question at hand; if the Government is allowed to have multiple votes on the same issue, is it not hypocrisy for them also to assert that the public should not be allowed the same grace to change its stance? The question is purely hypothetical; it could be answered regardless of one's political leanings on the underlying issue.
(The word 'Completely' does not, generally, have an 'n' in it.
The Schengen agreement did not include the UK, so is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
The UK had complete freedom to limit immigration from the Eastern European states that joined the EU. Germany did. The UK Government decided not to.
As for your assertion that "No deal is better than a no deal"; I find myself struggling to grasp how any one thing is better than itself.
And yet you still fail to address the question at hand; if the Government is allowed to have multiple votes on the same issue, is it not hypocrisy for them also to assert that the public should not be allowed the same grace to change its stance? The question is purely hypothetical; it could be answered regardless of one's political leanings on the underlying issue.
joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 20:27,
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You witty and erudite rascal, you.
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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 20:34,
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it's easier to just call him a cunt and put him on ignoreI know we should be building bridges an' all that, trying to heal the divisions. But I'm so very tired.
Yesterday he was comparing the EU to Nazis. How does one reason with such a cretin?
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Fri 29 Mar 2019, 20:44,
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Yesterday he was comparing the EU to Nazis. How does one reason with such a cretin?
Also,it's hard to see how there could be a common market without common rules and an independent body to oversee them and their application. Hence EU law and the role of the ECJ.
Does Keroscene think that the WTO sets no rules and has no adjudicative powers?
(Does Keroscene think that the WTO sets no rules and has no adjudicative powers?
Enzyme is powered by sunlight,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 21:13,
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Why?Got a good job, nice glasses, glossy coat... you're living the dream.
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Fri 29 Mar 2019, 20:59,
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^thisand being angry/disappointed all the time ;)
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PedroHin Come along & ride on a Flantastic Voyage,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 21:28,
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He forgot to mention the year he quit formal education. joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks,
Fri 29 Mar 2019, 23:18,
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.....................not....everyone.......
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atomic A-bomb-a-nation,
Sat 30 Mar 2019, 15:48,
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You are wrong. Everyone loves a wall of text, especially when it is ranty political nonsense. The best wall of text I have ever seen was about a young man called Jacob Dyer. He had been to France and lived in Bristol. He thought Bristol was fantastic and when he spoke he sounded like Barnaby bear. Jacob liked Barnaby Bear. One time Barnaby bear went to France*. Jacob also went to France, but some kid burnt his neck and he didn't like it. *I have just looked up what actually happened to Barnaby in France and the episode description says that Barnaby Bear explores the culinary delights France has to offer. Barnaby is in the kitchen watching Jean-Luc make crepes. Crepes are made of milk, flour, eggs, butter and salt. Barnaby eats very well when he is in France and he enjoys visiting the local markets. He learns how to say 'apple' and 'potato' in French. As far as I am aware he doesn't have his neck burnt. Source: PrisonPlanet. Wake up sheeple. MB**GA. ** Bristol
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monkeon schmonkeon,
Sat 30 Mar 2019, 17:06,
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Fine, I'll bite"the EC was made up of countries with broadly similar economies "
GDP in 1973:
Luxembourg - 2.7b
Ireland 7.5b
Denmark - 30b
Belgium - 47b
United Kingdom - 192b
"populations that didn't really move much"
The UK population increased by 8% 2005-2015
The UK population increased by 5% 1963-1973
Statistically speaking that's very little difference.
"the largely economic union moved more towards a social and political one"
The Treaty of Rome which established the EEC in 1957 was explicitly indended to:
"serve as a step towards the closer political unification of Europe."
"lay the foundations of an ‘ever closer union’ among the peoples of Europe"
"reduce the economic and social differences between the EEC’s various regions;"
"pool their resources to preserve and strengthen peace and liberty and call on other peoples of Europe who share this ideal to join them in these efforts. "
"established certain policies from the start as joint policies among the member countries"
Create a European Social Fund
and establish the key institutions that serve the EU to this day including: Council of Ministers, the Commission, European Parliament, Court of Justice and Economic and Social Committee.
From the very start the EEC/EC/EU has been about social, legal and political union.
"locking in a competitive advantage for Germany and allowing the poorer countries access to the capital markets"
Increases in GDP since 1999 are extremely similar for the three biggest European countries (and much smaller than in the emerging European economies like Poland and Romania):
480% Romania
210% Poland
68% GER
67% France
63% UK
"Immigration rates in the Uk rocketed from 10,000 a year to over 500,000 arriving each year"
This is disingenuous for many reasons. Immigration rates across an unspecified time period mean nothing - at one point in time immigration to the UK was 0, and we've increased infinitely since then! Furthermore, immigration figures alone don't tell you much without also considering emmigration. Even the dubious figures of Migration Watch suggest that the increase in net migration from 2004 to 2015 was only 5%
"The Conservative party was deeply split and were in danger of losing the election comnpletely so promised a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. It worked they won..."
Which alternative reality do you live in? The Tory vote collapsed massively in 2015 and they failed to secure a majority.
Furthermore, it's also well cited (albeit less objectively) that Cameron's purpose in calling the vote was to oust/disempower/marginalise the minority anti-European voice in the Tory party, and therefore from that perspective as well the result was an abject failure.
"until January 2019 when it is revealed that 70% of MPs are remainers and the "people's vote" campaign is born"
Getting bored of detailed sources to refute all your lies but a) The People's Vote has been around for much, much longer than January and b) it has been clear since before the vote that Parliament supports Remain by a large majority.
"Surely you can see the equity in that?"
Polls suggest that significantly more people now want to Remain than to Leave. Staying in the EU sounds pretty equitable to me.
Sources:
data.worldbank.org
eur-lex.europa.eu
migrationwatchuk.org
whatukthinks.org
(GDP in 1973:
Luxembourg - 2.7b
Ireland 7.5b
Denmark - 30b
Belgium - 47b
United Kingdom - 192b
"populations that didn't really move much"
The UK population increased by 8% 2005-2015
The UK population increased by 5% 1963-1973
Statistically speaking that's very little difference.
"the largely economic union moved more towards a social and political one"
The Treaty of Rome which established the EEC in 1957 was explicitly indended to:
"serve as a step towards the closer political unification of Europe."
"lay the foundations of an ‘ever closer union’ among the peoples of Europe"
"reduce the economic and social differences between the EEC’s various regions;"
"pool their resources to preserve and strengthen peace and liberty and call on other peoples of Europe who share this ideal to join them in these efforts. "
"established certain policies from the start as joint policies among the member countries"
Create a European Social Fund
and establish the key institutions that serve the EU to this day including: Council of Ministers, the Commission, European Parliament, Court of Justice and Economic and Social Committee.
From the very start the EEC/EC/EU has been about social, legal and political union.
"locking in a competitive advantage for Germany and allowing the poorer countries access to the capital markets"
Increases in GDP since 1999 are extremely similar for the three biggest European countries (and much smaller than in the emerging European economies like Poland and Romania):
480% Romania
210% Poland
68% GER
67% France
63% UK
"Immigration rates in the Uk rocketed from 10,000 a year to over 500,000 arriving each year"
This is disingenuous for many reasons. Immigration rates across an unspecified time period mean nothing - at one point in time immigration to the UK was 0, and we've increased infinitely since then! Furthermore, immigration figures alone don't tell you much without also considering emmigration. Even the dubious figures of Migration Watch suggest that the increase in net migration from 2004 to 2015 was only 5%
"The Conservative party was deeply split and were in danger of losing the election comnpletely so promised a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. It worked they won..."
Which alternative reality do you live in? The Tory vote collapsed massively in 2015 and they failed to secure a majority.
Furthermore, it's also well cited (albeit less objectively) that Cameron's purpose in calling the vote was to oust/disempower/marginalise the minority anti-European voice in the Tory party, and therefore from that perspective as well the result was an abject failure.
"until January 2019 when it is revealed that 70% of MPs are remainers and the "people's vote" campaign is born"
Getting bored of detailed sources to refute all your lies but a) The People's Vote has been around for much, much longer than January and b) it has been clear since before the vote that Parliament supports Remain by a large majority.
"Surely you can see the equity in that?"
Polls suggest that significantly more people now want to Remain than to Leave. Staying in the EU sounds pretty equitable to me.
Sources:
data.worldbank.org
eur-lex.europa.eu
migrationwatchuk.org
whatukthinks.org
Cassius Kray floats like a butterfly, stings like a trout,
Sat 30 Mar 2019, 8:46,
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Oh, stop it.You'll only confuse the poor little mite.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight,
Sat 30 Mar 2019, 9:09,
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tl;dr Did he say 'I like this!' or 'Fuck Off'...?
( atomic A-bomb-a-nation,
Sat 30 Mar 2019, 15:50,
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It won't take very long......for the economy to crash bringing the country to it's knees Hopefully our neighbours will welcome us back to the EU on one condition:
We ditch the now worthless Pound and switch to the Euro.
The apoplectic outrage from brexiters and right wing media will be a joy to behold
(We ditch the now worthless Pound and switch to the Euro.
The apoplectic outrage from brexiters and right wing media will be a joy to behold
hekim 66 ɐʇƐ𐐒 ʞɔnℲ uooW,
Sat 30 Mar 2019, 19:37,
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