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# Assume the position.

(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 11:24, archived)
# Absolutely fucking brilliant, and so true.
But as a staunch 'remoaner' I can't help but think this is indeed a democratic mandate, so I'm going to shut up for a while (then say "I told you so" in a couple of years...)
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 11:27, archived)
# Yeah it's kind of over for now. Gonna have to grin and bear it.
Can't really say people didn't know what they were voting for this time.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:13, archived)
# They knew what they were told they knew
Incidentally, the Tories got 56% of the seats with 44% of the vote.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 13:46, archived)
# Yep.
They won, we lost. I think we have to just accept that this is the way the country wants us to go.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:25, archived)
# country
being the operative word
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:35, archived)
# Only 44%!
I mean, I know I'm clutching at straws at this point, but worth noting.
Edit: Nope, 46% if you want to include BP in there
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 14:00, archived)
# Haha. And oh dear.
Saying "woo" feels wrong given the accuracy of the message.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 11:51, archived)
# Is that Dominic Cummings?
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:13, archived)
# This is fecking awesome
Unlike what lies ahead
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:33, archived)
# Fabulous stuff!
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 12:47, archived)
# Excellent
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 15:35, archived)
# Sadly I am old enough to remember living and voting in the 70's
Believe me, things are a lot better than back then, even with the current motley crowd of MPs. I remember 3 day weeks, unburied bodies in the streets, power cuts, the SPG beating the crap out protesters and the IRA trying to blow us up when I was at uni. Shit happens today, but to a lot less people.

Johnson is a ruthless political operator, but he ain't as bad as some I've lived through. If we want something different, then they have to be more than tribal, they have to take everyone along for the ride.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 16:19, archived)
# I have a feeling a few of those old hits might make a comeback.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 17:01, archived)
# No, they won't.
What really bothers me is the inability for people to accept democracy. If the other team gets more votes they get to call the shots. If your team didn't, it's because your ideas weren't as popular, so it's time to rethink. What seems to happen now is voters get immediately called racist or thick, when the reality is that the losing team's policies were a bit shit and the collective wisdom of voters spotted that. They may not be as educated, but they are not thick.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 22:49, archived)
# But...
The problem is that the people didn't vote for this. As has been much repeated since the election only 43% of the people voted Tory, yet they get 56% of the seats. Add in the Brexit Party and it's still only 46% of the population voted for definite pro-leave parties.

It's been like this for years and is an inherent failing in the FPTP system, the difference now is that the repercussions will be on a whole different level. There comes a point where you have to say FTPT is flawed and undemocratic and accept that it does not make for an election process that is friendly and calm.

(, Wed 18 Dec 2019, 9:14, archived)
# Impressive
While we are all bending over and grabbing our ankles for the trade fisting remember to spare some lube for page 48 of the Conservative manifesto.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 17:40, archived)
# Top notch
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 18:11, archived)
# Yep. This.
(, Fri 13 Dec 2019, 20:22, archived)