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# Mouth of Sauron is one of the characters in ROTK.
He's in the extended version apparently.
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:31, archived)
# I'd quitle like to see
The Eye of Sauron in NHS glassess.
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:33, archived)
# Or NHS glass, as it were.
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:34, archived)
# Can you get
monocles on the NHS?
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:34, archived)
# i'd like to think so
after all, it's why i pay my taxes
(I helped save b3ta! new_matt, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:35, archived)
# It's what
I go to school for.

/Busted
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:36, archived)
# just the thought of them fills me with a terrible rage...
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:38, archived)
# i don't know who they are
but i may join in your ire anyway
(I helped save b3ta! new_matt, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:39, archived)
# I think
one of them has huge comedy eyebrows.
(I helped save b3ta! HP hasn't been here in aaaaaages, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# yes.
And a comedy amount of "talent".


the only band Ive ever seen that can play a chord on the guitar by grabbing the neck in differnt places and jumping up and down.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:41, archived)
# RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAGE!!!!
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the Greebo Warrior - Est. 2002, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# Rage Against The Comdey Eyebrows.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:42, archived)
# I rather like them.
They're the new 5ive.
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# NEVER!
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:53, archived)
# BUT
They're punk, challenging the boundaries and ignoring the industry and all that went before them...

No, they're WANKERS! my mistake
(tdavidj, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:41, archived)
# Yellow and dangerous



/shark infested custard
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# was
my fave joke for ages.
(Elusive Squirrel, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:45, archived)
# I might be going to the opticians later
I'll ask them.
(I helped save b3ta! HP hasn't been here in aaaaaages, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:36, archived)
# good point.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:34, archived)
# haha!
arf!
(I helped save b3ta! jola, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:01, archived)
# Anyone shoved Patrick Moor's bonical
on the eye yet?
(I helped save b3ta! G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:39, archived)
# lol
he shouts at the hobbits!
"hey you with the ring, dont you come near here!"
"bring me a sandwedge for i am hungry!"
(Limited IQ, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:33, archived)
# Sand wedge?
Is he playing golf?
(I helped save b3ta! HP hasn't been here in aaaaaages, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:36, archived)
# sure
why not
(Limited IQ, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:38, archived)
# Shame
that there's bugger all in the book about the "mouth of sauron" whatever the fuck that is. I hate the way in which the book has been completely hacked about by this muppet director. Still haven't seen the films, still don't want to.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:34, archived)
# good that you've
gathered all the facts before making the gross generalisations, then:)
(I helped save b3ta! Prof. Slocombe, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:36, archived)
# Oh don't worry
I've read all about the films, which bits have been left out, which bits have been edited etc etc... plus my girlfriend went to see it recently and told me about it. So yes, facts gathered.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:37, archived)
# Have
you not considered that literary and film narratives work in completely different ways..?

There are many things that I haven't liked about the films, but even I wouldn't have said that the books were hacked to pieces to make them.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:42, archived)
# Hmm, true
see below for the main reason I don't want to see the films though. Books are kind of a major part of my life; LOTR is certainly one of the most evoking books out there, and it's very "special" to me in a lot of ways. I just don't like the idea of it being converted to film when people could read the books and get a lot more enjoyment out of them.

It really irritates me when I hear a pair of janners on the bus saying "oh yeah, LOTR is great, I loved the special effects". Read a book you fucking morons!
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:48, archived)
# But
surely it also encourages people to read the books?
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:49, archived)
# Not
from what I've seen. The majority of people I've seen in the cinema (when I go - which is rarely) probably think a hardback is some sort of turtle.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:49, archived)
# I think that's
really snobby.
I read every day, and all different kinds of books and I love going to the cinema and I don't think I'm alone in that.

(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:52, archived)
# I very much doubt
that you are alone in that. I freely admit that people who watch films read as well, probably more than me in some cases - but I live in Bristol, and the Showcase near St Philips Causeway is always full of really annoying townies/janners/schemies (whatever you want to call them) because it's in that sort of area. I'm only writing from my own personal experience. Sorry if I offended.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:57, archived)
# Not really,
I just think yo shuld throw caution to the wind, forget what you remember and just try to enjoy it.
Widen your scope a little bit.
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:59, archived)
# Perhaps
you'd care to pop into a local bookshop, look at the shelves of LOTR books etc... and then ask the staff how well it's been selling.

Something tells me, it's not been gathering dust...
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:57, archived)
# I always
think it's best to form your own opinion about films rather than use those of others.
If the book had gone straight to the screeen it would have been a terrible, terrible film.
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:46, archived)
# Eh?
The Mouth of Sauron is in the book...

/desperately attempts to avoid dragging self into another LOTR debate
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:36, archived)
# where?
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:37, archived)
# The guy who
comes out to talk to Aragorn and co calls himself the mouthpiece of sauron.

I thought you were the expert...
(I helped save b3ta! Waldo Dobbs was the new black, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:39, archived)
# Ah!
Fair point actually. Mouthpiece of Sauron indeed. I had something in mind about a bloody giant mouth thing a bit like the Eye...

Apologies!


(edit: ok, ok, I was wrong, I don't need to be told 5 times :p)
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# Chapter 34: The Mouth of Sauron.

(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:39, archived)
# that
scares me
(Errol, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:44, archived)
# sexually
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:47, archived)
# Erm
he's the one that speaks to Gandalf et al before the Black Gates.

I think.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# The Mouth of Sauron is
Sauron's Lieutenant or somesuch.
Arda-Ency entry
(Harry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:40, archived)
# In ROTK
Outside the gates of Barad Dur (or however you spell it) he shows them Sam and Frodos clothing and mithril shirt etc.
(badger of doom http://www.trendingtracks.co.uk, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:41, archived)
# what the fuck are you all banging on about?
is it about space?
(I helped save b3ta! new_matt, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:44, archived)
# Damn right!
Believe what you're told, don't try for your own opinion or anything!

speaking of muppets
(I helped save b3ta! Waldo Dobbs was the new black, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:38, archived)
# swish
i started an argument on b3ta this is my finest hour
(Limited IQ, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:39, archived)
# Again, LOTR is over-rated
but still worth a watch.

I hate those who make a point of not seing a film. "I'm not going to watch that film because the special effects, good acting and silly budget just ruin the book that I actualy haven't read yet"....

Same holds true to Harry Potter, but that is under-rated, it's perfict if you take it for what it is, a piece of entertainment.
(I helped save b3ta! G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:42, archived)
# i thought the 1st lotr was pretty crappy
the second and third were great
there was like an hour through the third where i couldent whipe a gormless grin off my face..... it was magical stuff... (i liked the bit where the guy on fire ran off the cliff)
(Limited IQ, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:44, archived)
#
He ran a hell of a long way for someone on fire...
(I helped save b3ta! Waldo Dobbs was the new black, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:48, archived)
# LOTR
was the first novel I ever read. Have read it about 10 times since... The main reason I don't want to see the films is due to the fact that I have my own vision/idea of the scenery, characters et al in my head, and I don't want to see the film because next time I read the book I'd probably have images from the film in my head. Wouldn't like that...
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:45, archived)
# Alternatively it could
enhance your own vision. Edoras looked a lot better in the film than I'd pictured it.
(I helped save b3ta! Waldo Dobbs was the new black, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:49, archived)
# I admit
that I have considered that possibility - but I'm unwilling to take the risk, due to the fact that I really *do* have very vivid personal images in my head about everything in the books. The pictures of the films which I've seen don't seem to match up thus far.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:53, archived)
# I kindda know what you mean,
But infact it does enhance a book, esspechaly if you know it. You recgonize small insigficant things (for example, the stone orks in LOTR, even though that was from The Hobit), and think to yourself 'cool'.

But it can kill a good book if done badly (Hands up who has seen any Steven King film that has been made in the past 3/4 years, AND read the book?)



At the end of the day, it's up to you, but it is 'ok' (My opinon is that it is a good film to have in the background with mates around, but fell asleep through the 1st and 2ed, and not bothered with the 3ed).
(I helped save b3ta! G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:52, archived)
# The Orcs
actually were in Lord of the Rings, but only in passing - when the party is walking through the forests outside Hobbiton they come across them.

One thing I think they probably should have done / should do is make a separate film of the Hobbit - it gives a much-needed description of how the One Ring came to be and how it was discovered. Also introduces Gollum and the ancestors of the ring bearers.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:55, archived)
# They deal with
that in the films.
(I helped save b3ta! bovine I'm so old, even my old is old, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:03, archived)
# Weren't they
trolls?
(I helped save b3ta! Waldo Dobbs was the new black, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:06, archived)
# You know...
I think you might be right. Been a while since I read the Hobbit.
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:07, archived)
# I've only read LOTR up to the point
Just after the centinal in the forrest, Lord Dumberdill (or something like that), and from what I gathered, the whole book is 3ed-person, but if bilbo isn't there, then it doesn't explain it.

They got around that in the films by showing parts without him.

I think the director is trying to get rights to another film, but the rummor is that it won't be The Hobit. This'll be done after he does King Kong.
(I helped save b3ta! G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:08, archived)
# The Hobbit
doesn't do that - the history of the ring gets told in Fellowship of the Ring.

There's no mention of Bilbo's ring being the One Ring in The Hobbit. Because, at that point, Tolkien wasn't planning on writing more about Middle Earth.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:09, archived)
# Maybe
maybe not, but if you've read it 11 times, surely you'll have built quite a strong idea of how you imagine Middle Earth etc..?

If you can get past the changes, you'd probably enjoy the films - I certainly enjoyed watching them more the second time around cos I wasn't being irritated by things not happening quite how I'd like/expected.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:55, archived)
# You may
be right. I might watch them one day... we'll see. Anyway, I think I'm going to leave this topic now :)
(wasted industry, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:04, archived)
# Hear Hear
Hang your mind up on a hook by the door on the way in, and just enjoy it. Works for me.
(I helped save b3ta! Spherix What, with these feet?, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:45, archived)
# I've read
one of the books (simple, but very readable) and fallen asleep watching both the films (painfully dull once the jokes stop).

I've reached the conclusion that Harry Potter is okay, if you like that sort of thing.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:47, archived)
# Try the Audio-Books
I like them for when working, each one is about 600+ mins, with one going up to double that, so it does last a week.

And it gives you an incentive to goto work, to finish the story.

But I do agree, you do have to like that kindda thing to really feel the magic, otherwise it's just a bit of harmless fun..
(I helped save b3ta! G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 10:55, archived)
# Nah
I'm not a fan of audio books - much prefer to read them myself.

Besides, I've tried Harry Potter and wasn't so greatly impressed that I'm interested in reading/watching more.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 22 Jan 2004, 11:12, archived)