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# Right then.
it's 2 am. bedtime. have a website before i dash off to bed.
BUY STUFF!
i've been working on it wor hours, as it's my second, and only successful frames attempt.

and i fully realize the lametasticness of the green/purple colorscheme... buti don't care coz it's 2AM...so there.

ta!
*sleeps*
edit:oh, and if anyone has any USEFULL suggestions for the site, please post them in the guestbook, thankyou and goodnight.
*sleeps for reals this time*
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 8:57, archived)
# Full of upmarket slippery goodness :)

nighty night...sleep tight
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:00, archived)
# tis grand that
but you should avoid frames; they`re all the nasty - with a CSS2 compliant web browser, you can have the fixed navigation areas and so on doing it the nice way (as far as I remember IE doesn`t support fixed positioning, so it`ll scroll)

maybe change the hyperlink colours and style the fonts to a sans serif?

much better than the web sites I`ve done :)
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:01, archived)
# actually, i use IE
they work ok for me...
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:03, archived)
# not only that
but they are a pain in the arse to get google to index properly. Nice boring plain static pages are easier to maintain and google won't send your customers to your navigation bar or whatever. Unless you faff around with Javascript redirections and shit and it gets really messy.
(I helped save b3ta! brainstuff can eat a whole shredded wheat, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:33, archived)
# the about section borks.

and why use frames anyway??
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:02, archived)
# oops...
meant to fix that. thankee.

umm...i hate it when the navigation buttons reload?
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:05, archived)
# dont use buttons then
just use simple text rather then big pictures.
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:08, archived)
# this ^^
is gay.
(Cane: I love Sushi, Sobriety & Shotokan, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:04, archived)
# *spang*
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:04, archived)
# very nice
i'm a bit sad though as i read it as Jambon and expected quality french ham
(I helped save b3ta! mongychops, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:06, archived)
# hmmm...
maybe my next site...

funfact: Jabon is actually spanish for "soap"
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:08, archived)
# thanks for the fact
i don't think the french have a word for soap
(I helped save b3ta! mongychops, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:09, archived)
# it's the same word they use for ham
because it's the same thing
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:10, archived)
# they bathe in garlic
100% of FACT
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:10, archived)
# Yes they do...merde
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:10, archived)
# badum
tish.

kay...i'm really going now.

night night!
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:11, archived)
# we bathe in champagne, nothing less.
Sweet bubbles make our skin so soft.
(I helped save b3ta! oCo, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:41, archived)
# ^^Hahahahahahahahahaha^^
Tis true!
(I helped save b3ta! benkai Doing nothing as of ..., Thu 13 Oct 2005, 10:11, archived)
#
hamtoucher :)
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:08, archived)
# pffft
me too
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:09, archived)
# It's okay but
I'd get more contrast between the text and background, also, the upper frame could be a lot smaller (mind the low res users), or even no frame at all (just a scrolling layer for the lower part)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:09, archived)
# also
you should really try for the page not to scroll, especially on the homepage. There is no need for it, as there is only very little information on it. It even scrolls here on my 1152X864 screen.
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:12, archived)
# as for your products page
people find centered text more difficult to read then texts which are aligned to the left

/tests websites for a living
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:13, archived)
# you obviously don't proof them though

THAN

/pedant
(5 Lighters for a Pound, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:34, archived)
# ooh get her and her resolution
/160x100
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:14, archived)
# hey
these are just the standard tips for the standard website ;)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:16, archived)
# I had to do a site in a night last week
including an online shopping basket that pretended to work

I never realised my mate was such a Del Boy :/

still.. managed to get one can of London Pride as payment
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:20, archived)
# Those are the best websites
You were very quiet here in the past days ;)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:24, archived)
# haven`t been too well
It`s my week off work too; I had stuff planned to do, but have spent my time mainly lying on the sofa watching the most awful television ever.

The people who haven`t passed their driving test programme is on at the minute, and after that is the hospital one where they show you the doctors drilling into spicy brains. The BBC seems to excel in dreadful telly these days - there was a thing on last week or the week before where a family let a burglar into their house to see how secure their house is. He runs about throwing things about and going through their private stuff. Is this what ratings are about? Maybe I`ll go back to bed!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:29, archived)
# I know your pain

But watch it long enough and you will get the craving :)
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:31, archived)
# have you seen that Jeremy Kyle show?
who on earth is he? I might watch the Allo Allo DVD set :)
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:32, archived)
# My experience was about 3 years ago...when I ruptured my
achilles tendon (fuck that hurt) I was off work for 3 months in full leg plaster...deep joy...linda barker was appearing on all channels and by the end of it I was a diy, decorating and house move expert :)
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:43, archived)
# That doensn't sound too good
however, it doesn't sound so bad as the eight commercial dutch channels I've got...what utter crap

/are you well now?
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:35, archived)
# FocusTV
:)

*yodels*
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:37, archived)
# meh
I just read the Netherlands are getting a commercial christian channel and a public elderly channel...
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:39, archived)
# public elder channel ?...lemonparty.org maybe :)
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:44, archived)
# hey
that's indeed the name of the channel ;)
(I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:48, archived)
# but you`d be able to watch the Golden Girls all day
that`d be great...

maybe
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:46, archived)
[challenge entry] Sorry, but
(I helped save b3ta! Cocodaye Miasere likes chips and peas, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:11, archived)
# hehehehe
one of the guys i worked with kept making jokes like that at me yesterday. woo for thinking like him!
(I helped save b3ta! *f o o f* is a craft-aholic, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:13, archived)
# yes, but I also compo'd it
sorry
(I helped save b3ta! Cocodaye Miasere likes chips and peas, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:15, archived)
# Flirt Club?
"It's only when you've lost everything that you're free to do any thing one"
(Kitsune-chan I'm not a bunny I'm a grownup girl, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 11:11, archived)
# what's wrong with purple!!!!!

it's artistically very well done, but doesn't
have enough pictures of baldy women.
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:16, archived)
# Yeah
weres da rud stuf?
(I helped save b3ta! Cocodaye Miasere likes chips and peas, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:17, archived)
# as a smelly salesperson
my professional advice would be to put Products as the first choice, followed by Order, then Contact, and use the Jabon logo as the home button (which seems to go to the same page as About anyway).

Couple of important points - you should stress that customers should not send Credit Card details by email, it's about as secure as a very unsecure thing.

In the absence of a full-on online shopping trolley, you could give the customer an order form (word document or pdf - or even simple HTML tables, but that's harder to guarantee that it'll print out properly) that they can fill out with the relevant information and fax back to the company.

Something like this -
www.jbinternational.co.uk/enrolmentform.html

Ugly, but functional. And it gives you a legal document proving that the customer has agreed to purchase your product (always get a signature of'em).


(I helped save b3ta! brainstuff can eat a whole shredded wheat, Thu 13 Oct 2005, 9:26, archived)