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Okay kiddies stop twiddling your pachyderms and spin drying your cephalopods it Zoo and Nuts time again.

Right firstly lets get this out of the way quickly. Nuts, full of shite, thanks we appreciate it greatly.

OK Zoo: I’m sure they must watch this post I do weekly as, lets face it, they nick their
images from here. Here so I’d like to take the opportunity to say; you petty minded little knob
dribbles!

Zoo magazine has a new little trick: A brand new image page. All images now aren’t credited
and all images are now cropped, I’m guessing by a quadriplegic with no Photoshop experience,
to remove all the tags. Some people may recognise a little bit of TGA’s Yeltsin one for example.

Interestingly enough I've found that most images in Zoo were posted on the 25th April on the messageboard.

As usual both Zoo and Nuts pages are in my profile.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:52, archived)

read the faq newb!

seriously though, there must be some kind of legal
procedure here if they're actually altering the images.

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:54, archived)

Well this is the grey area as I keep saying.

As we didn't own the copyright of the original they say it's fine for them to take.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:57, archived)

That's not entirely true

Some people (like me) use their own pics to shop occasionally

Just so you know

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:01, archived)

aye

http://www.b3ta.com/board/7165079

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:02, archived)

I also like the fact that they call it 'Reader winner'

although the winner probably doesn't read the magazine at all

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mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:03, archived)

and...

are any photos I take automatically owned by me? ie can't be reproduced without my permission?

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:06, archived)

as far as I'm aware

if you take a photo

you own that photo

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:17, archived)

yeah thought that was the case

cheers

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:18, archived)

I'm not a lawyer tho, just an idiot on the net

but I'm convinced that's the case

in the uk

I get the impression in the us you can be forced to get clearance for images that you take of folks but I bet that only applies to rich and important folks, I do remember someone telling me over there they needed permission to sell a drawing they made of someone

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:22, archived)

think it's same here actually

my photos aren't that great but I did look into photo-libraries in case I start taking some good ones! Apparently if your photo is clearly 'of someone' as it were you're supposed to get a release form signed by them.

I don't know if this is just to cover the library's back, but it does make me wonder - what about news photos and generally unflattering photos of people you see every day? Because if I could I'd quite fancy going and taking photos the subjects won't like :-)

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:29, archived)

I think

(at the risk of sounding like a scratched bastard :D)

that it requires looking at the approprite law and getting a complete understanding of exactly what's what

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:35, archived)

alright clever-arse

but what's the point in doing research yourself when you can get people on web forums to look it up for you? ;-)

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:46, archived)

like an army of slaves?

crawling all over the internet

bringing you news and information, all the time, building up your power

till you find your moment, and become a throbbing king of the world!

and all tremble at your feets!

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:51, archived)

was throbbing the right word there?

and yeah, I could do that, but I'll probably forget and fall asleep

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 12:07, archived)

yes

the grreater the vigour of throb the better

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 12:18, archived)

depends

if you took it during work time
then your firm owns it

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:22, archived)

the "legally defined party that took the photograph owns it"

how about that?

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:26, archived)

work owns everything you do in work time

*hides sketch book, archives and deletes B3ta folder from hard drive*

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:30, archived)

unless you have some arrangement to the contrary

of course if you have one of those crap contracts where "everything" you create while you are an employee (and not just on work hours) belongs to the employer that's a different kettle of shit

and yes, some folk sign such unreasonable shit :D

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:38, archived)

some of those "reader" names are a tad suspicious....

HELLO FRED!!
and Danni T!!

oh, they don't really exist? .....ahhh!

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:08, archived)

maybe they should be taken to task on that

gmtv were caught out weren't they

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:14, archived)

And if they use those

That's a direct copyright infringement. Can you Gaz me with any examples they have used?

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:04, archived)

also

if you change/shop an image by 25% (i think)
then it is no longer held by it's original copyright

although it's got to be tricky figuring what exactly is 25%
i think it was brought in to stop peeps suing each other
over images/logos etc that coincidentally look a little alike

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:05, archived)

I believe the law states

that it can't be distinguishable from the original.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:07, archived)

In terms of music, it's more about whether or not the song would still be a song without the sample.

If that helps at all.

For example, "Ice Ice Baby" would not still be a song if it didn't have that sample from "Under Pressure".

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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:27, archived)

that sounds very hard

maybe we need a lawyer chappy, or chappess to explain it all

or maybe a "munters guide to the legalities of images" as it's own faq?

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:19, archived)

yeah, sorry

i only deal with copyright in relation to printed words
i'm a little hazey on the image side of things

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:24, archived)

I think 'Fair Usage'

And the fact that something new and unique has been made out of images posted here mitigates the fact they're 'nicked' images.

The fact that Zoo/Nuts just crop the images to avoid crediting whoever made them makes what they do, I believe, technically intellectual property theft.

If I found any of my work in their crappy mag I'd take them to the fucking cleaners. But as I'm not good enough, I doubt that's a situation I'll ever find myself in.

(Woodgie is back, but for how long?, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:01, archived)

uk law doesn't have 'fair usage'

so that argument doesn't hold up

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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:02, archived)

you could argue it's satire

but I bet it would be wobbly in court :D

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discomeats This canoe, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:23, archived)

Don't we?

Bollocks, then in that case I'll go with the right of every Englishman to have a laugh by putting text on a picture...

...and shopping a kitten

(Woodgie is back, but for how long?, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:39, archived)

hmm

but could they argue they've shopped a 'source pic' just like the b3tards they stole them off had done...

I dunno, sucks though.

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:57, archived)

just a simple question

but does tagging actually make a jot of difference legally.
Don't you need to add a copyright like JJ does?

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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 8 May 2007, 10:54, archived)

Well the set up I have put in my profile seems to have worked for me.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:55, archived)

I can't read your profile

the colours make me squint like a Japanese rear gunner facing the sun

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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 8 May 2007, 10:56, archived)

Have a look at

these lully personages website

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:01, archived)

hahaha!

(dudley Laughing at other peoples misfortune since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:06, archived)

it's hard to copyright picsthat use copyrighted sources

we're in something of a legal grey area

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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:56, archived)

Yes. We should focus on humiliating these people rather than publicising them.

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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:59, archived)

meh

i'd be quite flattered if a pic i made was published tbh
i'd like a prize too, but i'm not that bothered
i make these pics for fun, not for profit

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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:00, archived)

I'd be surprised if I got more than three replies to anything I did

but in much the same way that I kill mosquitoes rather than letting them have their fill of my blood, of which I have plenty to go around, I would attack anyone that could feed off of my pictures.

Not that anyone would, mind. I've already sold all of my good jokes to popular comedians.

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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:08, archived)

I do remember a case of them getting extemely worried

When they used an images where some of the sources were actually owned by a b3tard.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:59, archived)

what came of that?

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:01, archived)

some of bo beau d'or's have copyrighted sources

but he puts copyright notices on those

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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:01, archived)

Didn't the Sun print and entire cartoon that'd been drawn by Sunshine Elephant once?

the Emu one, I think

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:06, archived)

yup

often times papers will print 'best of the web' pages
but it's only a few like zoo and nuts that do it regularly and offer prizes

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mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:14, archived)

burn the witches!

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:54, archived)

If you have had an image

cropped and used in a magazine or other publication and that image WAS TAGGED then please contact me and I will pass it on to the 30 or so lawers and solicitors who work for my family for either free or extremely low cost. PM me

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SiX and his hat, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:56, archived)

It is as I've said a legal grey area

As the source images are rarely owned by the poster. They have been caught out on occasion though.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:58, archived)

The source images are still owned by someone, though

I suppose tracking down their real owners wouldn't help much.

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:59, archived)

If the real owner has posted here

and tagged! then they have a time and date of posting an orignal picture that has been seen by many people and that is proof enough for copyright. The actualy person effected needs to take it forward.

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SiX and his hat, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:06, archived)

Are you an eccentric billionaire?

so bored of your opulence you hang out here?

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 8 May 2007, 10:59, archived)

If so can I have some money?

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:02, archived)

Get back in line SL!

*shuves*

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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:03, archived)

You didn't shotgun

Shotgun!

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:06, archived)

eccentric? yes

billionaire? no. I do drive a nice car and live in a nice house but am not that rich yet.

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SiX and his hat, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:07, archived)

how about a zoo and nuts image compo?

or would that just publicise the bastards.

Maybe I'll just go steal and burn some copies.

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:03, archived)

Ah now there's a suggestion

There are reasons why that will not happen on here.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:06, archived)

could always have a more general image challenge

that would inevitably lead to lots of nuts/zoo entries without having explicitly mentioned them :-)

Just like 'board games' was always going to result in lots of monopoly shops etc...

:-)

(horrid, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:18, archived)

No one will use my piccies!

but...copyright allows for fair use, inc parody of an image

I dont know how to do links but this might be useful...

www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use

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The Tig and me, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:04, archived)

I would not put all my faith in sites like that.

They are not representative of the governing body as they are merely a site that will charge you money to witness your work ( which anyone can do if done properly ) to preserve rights.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:13, archived)

We all know that they are wankmonkeys

What we need to do is find a rival publisher who produces a rag of the same description and get them to shame them and offer our services gratis. As I've stated before, Zoo or Nuts, can't remember which ( or both ) Now simply print a disclaimer saying "all images taken from ( or courtesy of, but that's a fucking joke ) www.b3ya.co" So they are obviously confident in their legal stance ( and lets face it, they have the copyright law bods of the whole publishing group, not just some two bit hacks scratching their heads in the nuts office) that they can blatantly admit to lifting images from here.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:05, archived)

I had an interesting idea that I'll have to look into and get back to you lot with.

If it works it could stop them outright.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:09, archived)

the other thing which

will not help in the legal area but certainly help in claiming ownershaip of the original ( should your PSD get lost ) is to buy a Digimarc licence and electronicly tag your images.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:25, archived)

Is it just me,

or are the Nuts ones always fucking retarded?

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:09, archived)

'ning you!

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:13, archived)

ello!

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:14, archived)

How's it

hanging?

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:15, archived)

tired and messy

what about yours?

I'm jus off for a break soon. not that ive done anything.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:20, archived)

oh dear :(

mine's lovely, ta :D

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:21, archived)

Yeah

But it means we haven't had stuff nicked.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:15, archived)

true very true

plus ning and thanks for going to the trouble. I find it interesting as well as enraging.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:18, archived)

Anyone can send them a jpg,

and win some cash or a (tesco value) Porche, so obviously someone has found them and sent it to NZoontz.

(Sverre my password is "password", Tue 8 May 2007, 11:17, archived)

No they freely admit to taking them from b3ta.

Their attitude is 'tough'. Some people do take them but this is the first week when they have stopped crediting a picture and deliberately cropping off the tags.

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:21, archived)

That's bad..

But do they deliberatly pick only the shopped ones and not the cartoons?

(Sverre my password is "password", Tue 8 May 2007, 11:29, archived)

Yup

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riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:45, archived)

I have an idea.

Get everyone to stamp "zoo cunts nuts poo stabbers" across ALL images for the next month. I wouldn't mind. It would make me giggle in fact!

also, has anyone caught Sumo TV on sky or is that glasscock? Sure I saw some B3tan work on it....

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jimis completed the '90s, now attempting the next level, Tue 8 May 2007, 11:34, archived)