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Emap have offered to pay my invoice.

They have also apologised for using my image without permission and assured me that, in future, they will only include material where they have consent in advance.

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:11, archived)

yaaaay!

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:12, archived)

Money was OK?

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:12, archived)

I got what I asked for...

... which was a fair price for the image, so yes.

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:13, archived)

Magic

well done you.

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:13, archived)

How much did you invoice them for?

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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:12, archived)

thats what I wanted to ask

but didn't

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:14, archived)

Etiquette demands that I keep that to myself...

... until you get me really drunk and I start shooting off at the mouth.

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:14, archived)

I never understood why English people are so secretive about money.

Not bitching, just curious.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:15, archived)

If he says he got 8.50

we'll spend the next 7 pages calling him a daft cunt.
Best not talk about the money

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:17, archived)

Well that's true I suppose.

It's like people who call me at work getting upset when I ask them for their salary.

A- I have to, b- if you ashamed, try harder.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:18, archived)

we'll spend the next 7 pages calling him a daft cunt anyway

so why not just spill the beans?

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M3Essential and The Essentials. LIVE!, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:18, archived)

You don't want me to spill the beans...

... you want me to save you the trouble of counting them.

:o)

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:20, archived)

It's to give the impression that you have more than you actually do...

... or less, depending on the circumstances.

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:18, archived)

I really couldn't care less what people think about me.

I only earn 14250 pa, but it doesn't make me a bad person, it just makes me a youngun on the lower rungs.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:19, archived)

next 7 pages it is then

I earn
85k

for fibbing

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:21, archived)

You're a lawyer?

Endemol PR?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:22, archived)

I get 85k for doing photoshop work on b3ta.
did no one else get this deal?

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:24, archived)

:-( I just got a signed, naked photo of Rob.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:26, archived)

fucker

thats what I was holding out for!!!

(waxdart hello., Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:37, archived)

yeah, but I turned it down hoping they'd offer more

they never called back :(

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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:27, archived)

The point is

it's more about the principle:

The fact they paid means that they admitted it.

The exact figure is irrelivant.

(Mr Dan is the man, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:28, archived)

Yes!

Well done.

Should I do this?

(Pachey, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:13, archived)

Have they nicked stuff?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:13, archived)

Once

ages ago

(Pachey, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:14, archived)

Proof?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:15, archived)

Let's all just send invoices regardless

8. Profit

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M3Essential and The Essentials. LIVE!, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:15, archived)

yeah

good idea

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brianftang www.brianftang.co.uk, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:16, archived)

only if they've nicked stuff that was yours entirely

(no borrowed source pics or owt)

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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:14, archived)

Oh bother

I shall have to create my own sauce from now on.

(Pachey, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:21, archived)

not exactly

this is a pretty vague area as the creator of the composite should have certain rights.

I was given a consultation by a top IP lawyer just the other week (covered by a generous blog visitor).

However, it is something that emap can use to obfuscate the issue and delay settlement.

Believe it or not, Emap's lawyers - correction highlighted a recent report about intellectual property.
"Alexander Ross (from company that represents emap - my words) points out that the recent Gowers Review of intellectual property has recommended allowing free usage of pictures for satirical purposes. This would certainly be embraced by Rob Manuel of b3ta.com, a frequently hilarious site that thrives on its users scooping images from the internet and tinkering with them in Photoshop."

the story goes on with a quote from some ginger bloke :
"If you don't want to see your work used, then never show it to anyone." - Rob Manuel.

news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2484225.ece

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beaubodor blogless, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:21, archived)

hahahahahah

yes, and I should be allowed to punch who I please

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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:23, archived)

Only if it's for satirical purposes

IANAL

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:24, archived)

MERRY FUCKING HANUKKAH !

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M3Essential and The Essentials. LIVE!, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:23, archived)

Don't say that

It's months until my guilt trip phone call from my grandparents.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:24, archived)

Better start polishing the Menorah

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M3Essential and The Essentials. LIVE!, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:26, archived)

Pfft.

In high amounts.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:29, archived)

I don't mind it being 'used'

it's when it's used for other people's profit when I get annoyed.

I think you've mentioned that actually.

(Pachey, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:31, archived)

yup!

it's when people make money or gain free marketing capital out of it.

As
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
Universal Pictures
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
Icon Home Entertainment
Warner Home Video
Carphone Warehouse
Entertainment Arts
Momentum Pictures
Pathe Distribution Limited
Blaupunkt

and other companies do when they dole out prizes via Zoo to people who send our creations in.

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beaubodor blogless, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:37, archived)

it's a trickly and murky ground sometimes...

... and sometimes this is used in a rather cynical and overbearing fashion, but for now, I'll restrict my comment to Rob's quote:

We all gotta eat. Many of us use the interwebs to promote our talent and allowing the free/conditional exchange of watermarked work is part of that - but when there's profit to be had, we will want and deserve our fair share (whatever that may be). I doubt Rob gave this same advice to Joel during the recent Coke unpleasantness:
www.robmanuel.com/2006/12/13/is-coke-ripping-off-the-little-guy/

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Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:42, archived)

and, I believe, Joel

gave his settlement to charidee.. which was nice.

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beaubodor blogless, Fri 22 Jun 2007, 17:51, archived)

Hurrah!

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