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sympathy for the police

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:47, archived)

Everyone's NWA until they get mugged.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:48, archived)

and then they're fucking Charles Bronson

that fucking is me being emphatic through swearing.. rather than the implication you go and fuck the actor and/or the criminal after beign mugged.

that would both be silly and foolish. sillish.

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arrangedletters, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:50, archived)

I just don't get this 'waaaaah, I hate the police'

why? Because a bunch of petulant black boys who like shooting the shit out of each other told you to?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:51, archived)

I want to like the police...

but they just keep proving that their ranks are mainly made up of power hungry fucktards. I met a good policeman once and he was of the same opinion.

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:54, archived)

I love the police

and support them wholeheartedly.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:54, archived)

A few of my family members are police

one was assaulted with a brick for being one.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:55, archived)

I've got attacked for being ginger.

not with a brick though with a shallow swimming pool... and gravity.

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arrangedletters, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:57, archived)

many years ago whilst

she and I were waiting to move into our new house, We lodged with a copper and his mrs. He was in the Tactical Aid Group (TAG but I think they have a different name now ) but in the time when policemen did not have guns or an armed response team TAG were the guys that ran around airports with sub-machine guns and went to all the dangerous stuff. He was also one of the guys digging up the moors looking for Hindley and Brady's victims.

The sad part about it was that in order for him to do that job he and his wife had to live under assumed names 200 miles away from where they grew up.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:02, archived)

the police are as human and as fallible as the rest of us

also, being the awkward cunt that I am, I believe that you should be openly critical of any one in a position of power and authority. Supposedly, being as we are a democracy, this is what we should be allowed to do.

but then I am a filthy deviant liberal.

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arrangedletters, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:55, archived)

I'm probably wrong

I haven't got a che guevara t shirt and a rollie on the go, I obviously don't give a shit enough.

*bad mood*

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:56, archived)

opinions on the internet, innit.

*hugs*

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arrangedletters, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:58, archived)

How can you be sad?

You are Captain Wow! CAPTAIN WOW! And you've got a great hat - the world's your oyster :D (I'd give you a hug but I fear you might push me violently into the road).

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:01, archived)

no particular reason

except, maybe, this

(Your watch is still saving for 5K but has learnt about 'nose bondage', Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:57, archived)

It still outweighs the list of violent crimes.

I'm not saying there aren't bad appled, but I'm also not saying that they're all bad apples. That's my point. I hate this whole 'calling someone a name just because of the job they do without even knowing them' thing. It's just a bit pathetic.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:59, archived)

Sure. Although I'm not paying violent criminals to attack me

I don't have a problem with a few bad apples either. I have a problem with a framework that doesn't automatically and immediately remove the bad apples from within, and seems overall incredibly resistant to idea.

As for name calling, I also have no sympathy. But equally I cannot stand the aggrandizement.

(Your watch is still saving for 5K but has learnt about 'nose bondage', Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:05, archived)

so what we need are thousands of people who never make mistakes and want to be police officers.

They shouldn't be too hard to find. I just recriut now.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:52, archived)

nope... my dislike stems from having friends who were badly beaten up at stonehenge a few years back and my own handcuff scar*

in all honesty, I don't dislike the police for the fact that they're the police. but I dislike the lack of accountability when any of their number are genuine cunts.

*i deserved getting pinched but the bastard cuffs were on a bit too tight

(Tom_O'Bedlam http://www.zazzle.com/tomobedlam, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:58, archived)

I dislike the 'one of you's a git so you all are' thing.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:02, archived)

i totally agree with you

but my problem isn't with the policemen and women, they're very brave, its with the organisation of "the police force".

(Tom_O'Bedlam http://www.zazzle.com/tomobedlam, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:03, archived)

To be fair

I'd have beaten you all up too and I don't need a uniform ;)

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:04, archived)

Over the years

I've been mugged, the police turned up after 14 days. Had my car broken into, someone was sent to dust for prints, never heard anything back. House vandalised, didn't even turn up.
When I was working at a local supermarket whilst at college there were two armed robberies, on one occasion the police turned up after 45 minutes, the second they turned up after 2 days. One of the girls on the checkout was stabbed, they failed to arrest anyone. One of the girls on the shopfloor was gang raped in view of the CCTV cameras behind the store on her way home from work, noone was arrested.

Am I allowed to not like the local police force?

Edit: not meant as a dig at you captain.

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Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:58, archived)

oh good point

i've been burgled, called the police and a week later someone turned up. and i've witnessed a serious assault and the police never called me back.

(Tom_O'Bedlam http://www.zazzle.com/tomobedlam, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:01, archived)

My brother has had the same thing, phoned the police when he saw someone breaking into a car just down his road

and the police didn't care to the extent they didn't even ask for the numberplate.

(Jeru War and Piss, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:03, archived)

crivenses!

where abouts was that then?

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arrangedletters, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:01, archived)

You're allowed to do whatever the fuck it is that you want

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:03, archived)

Damn straight!

That's democracy and anyone that disagrees should go and live somewhere America hasn't invaded yet ;)

In all honesty I don't hate the police but I do dislike the way they carry on most of the time. For example a few weeks ago I get stopped and given the 3rd degree by a plastic because I looked a little flustered when I was walking home from the gym...

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Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:07, archived)

Nah, some people are open minded towards the police...

... until they see them pissing about in central brixton doing f*ck all in the safe bit but NEVER see them in the dodgy Tulse Hill area where they are needed.... or some other such thing like reading about them arresting people for photographing buildings, whacking women in the face..

oh for a nice police force

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:51, archived)

This.

Or getting special deals at kebab shops while on duty.

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:52, archived)

they always in my local kebab shop

with their panda car parked outside. I wish I had a panda car made of real panda.

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:58, archived)

special deals?

you mean real meat and they ain't paying?

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:03, archived)

and before the laws they're forced to enforce, the 'march' last week?

I'd hate to try desperately to try and protect people that obviously think they can do better on their own.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:53, archived)

I think the de Menezes family need a good mugging to calm them down and appreciate

How many of their freedoms are protected.

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:51, archived)

Sorry, but that was a couple of years ago

and teenage politics has grumbled about the police for decades.

Grr they won't let us do as we please.

I'm not saying it should have happened, but is that really the reason why policemen and women get gobbed on, attacked, called pigs etc?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:54, archived)

easy target.

One police officer shoots someone, so all police are basically bad and totally new world order and baw and shit I better stay home and tell the internet that the police are to blame for everything because they shot a suspect. In fact, applying very similar logic, I could conclude that the police are people and one of them shot an innocent person so that means all people are fucking pigs and I hate them and baw and suchlike *wrings hands*

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:58, archived)

It was more the closing of ranks, covering of tracks etc (see below)

that I think people found a little ... distasteful.

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:59, archived)

I would be inclined to suggest that the backtracking and bullshit was the politics and politicians involved in the matter

as well as the higher ranking officers (who lost their jobs) talking shit and trying to defend themselves and their authority as an institution. I don't think their handling of a difficult situation should reflect badly on the average bobby.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:05, archived)

Oh well if it was a couple of years ago then it's ok, I suppose.

The fact that an innocent man was shot, and the police immediately tried to backtrack and cover their trail, closed ranks and then blamed the general public for breeding a climate of fear (comment by Cressida Dick) is forgivable I suppose.

It's a bit like rape victims going on and on and on - "It was ages ago, love - stop moaning."

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:58, archived)

one incident. Top cops tried to shush it up.

What's PC Whatever got to do with it? Why's it his fault?

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:01, archived)

A bit like individual bankers not bringing down the economy?

Don't make me invoke Goodwin - the point stands - the organisation as a whole has a massive PR problem at the moment, and really isn't helping itself.

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:03, archived)

This just in

Large organisation has corrupt members in high positions. Honest(ish) junior members tarred with same brush

also, Titanic Sinks, John Peel in Thames

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:06, archived)

Exactly like that.

Most police officers are lovely people who really are doing the job to try and make wherever they are a safer place, and the idea that some grumpy arses can't tell the difference between the police force (many) and one police officer (one) really does make me very sad.

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Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:07, archived)

~~some grumpy arses~~ Scum/Express/Mail "journalists" with a podium to spout from and their readers/apostles.

I have no problem taking the piss out of my mates who are coppers mainly for the reasons you've just mentioned, but wouldn't like to go on record calling them all dicks, mainly cos i might get a kicking

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:10, archived)

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:17, archived)

the general public are not guilty of breeding fear

but it has been a trend exacerbated by politicians and the press over years for their own gain. People are more nervous in general, and police are people too. Some people are good at their job some aren't. Some people make incorrect decisions, some don't.

It really isn't as simple as saying that because isolated incidents occur, then the whole organisation is fucked and all police officers are rabid gun-toting harbingers of death. Life is sadly not as black and white as that and a bit of knowledge of societal trends and the police force would make this an obvious point. Reading headlines is quicker though, I suppose.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:13, archived)

Ah right OK.

I'll just accept my lot, go and watch a nice warm story at the cinema and stop complaining.

I'll sleep well knowing that - hey! It's not like some countries where they have REAL violence, is it?!

Because that makes it OK.

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:19, archived)

complain all you want.

People tend to listen more if you know what you're on about. I think considering that the police are people, and that people make errors in judgement, that they do rather well, considering. Compare the Met kills record with police in US cities. The british police do not have a habit of killing innocent people. Single errors by a single member of the work force do not define any other workforce, so why should it be so for the police?

I would suggest that the media have a lot to do with it, stirring up the moral outrage.

Compare and contrast:

Man pushes another man over. Man later dies of a heart attack. Murder? No, not even manslaughter.

Policeman pushes another man over. Man later dies of a heart attack. MURDER! FUCK THE POLICE.

I don't defend the police's actions in pushing people over, or hitting people with batons like they did, but to go accuse the police because a man had a heart attack after getting pushed over, is nonsense. Similar precedent in criminal law demonstrates that this sort of death cannot be considered as murder or homicide.

What should the police do when surrounded and outnumbered by a baying mob? Should they be completely chilled? Sit down and try to ignore them in they hope they go home quietly? As I say, I'm not defending the attacking of the "innocent" people, but the stresses of the situation need to be considered, and no amount of training of any humans will produce a police force who make 100% correct judgments at all times.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:43, archived)

You mean abdominal bleeding, at least until the next post mortem is done.

And that probably would be manslaughter.

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Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 16:10, archived)

depends, really, on the cause of death.

if the bleeding is causally related to his heart attack, then manslaughter is a possibility, though a difficult one to make stick.
The causal link between a man falling over and having a heart attack is a bit tenuous, and precedents like "thin-skull".

I think it's quite clear that the policeman did not exert deadly force, so should not be culpable for his death. Thing like this happen regularly and they're not blown out of all reasonable proportion because the newspaper don't jump on it and make a big drama out of it.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 16:18, archived)

Surely the question is why any force was used at all?

There may well be a reason why he was shoved to the ground without warning and not arrested, I don't know.

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Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 16:51, archived)

I know.

I agree with that, it was wrong, but it was an error made by a human in a stressful situation. It wasn't a premeditated act of murder.

I'm not defending the policeman, I just think the reaction to it all is rather over the top.

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drbroon abloooobloobloo, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 17:16, archived)

i'd feel a bit better if the murderers of de menezes were convicted

and there was no excuse for the policeman in the protest clubbing that woman. it doesn't matter what she said to him or what her political views are, that's assault

(Tom_O'Bedlam http://www.zazzle.com/tomobedlam, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:00, archived)

But i'm expressing with my full capabilities

and now i'm living in correctional facilities

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:53, archived)

you made me giggle like a girl

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:55, archived)

And the fact that I made you giggle like a girl

turns. me. on.

(it doesnt really, i'm quoting a Rob Newman character from the early 90's)

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Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:57, archived)

are we...

sexy texting?

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rowlification 今は今, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:04, archived)

in that case, i wouldn't say no to a cup of milk

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spacefish bong!, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:06, archived)

love that wee sketch:)

but i'm low on sympathy:(

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Elvis impersonator, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:50, archived)

this am of the good drawings.

pig this and filth that would of worked though.. :)

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arrangedletters, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 14:51, archived)

hahahahaha

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Zank Frappa Who let the lefties in?, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:02, archived)

haha

luv it :)

(whowotme nipple clamps, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 17:20, archived)

I like this picture.

To me it's funny and in no way seems to actually say that the police are violent thugs.

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Rocker_44 (-_-) shhhhh! Is asleep on, Mon 27 Apr 2009, 15:04, archived)