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But of course Juncker doesn't want to punish the UK over Brexit at all costs.
Lovely, friendly, cuddly Ruskies ^_^
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 12:46, Share, Reply)

Punish us?
You mean not let us have our cake and eat it, like the brexitards seem to think is possible, after spitting in their faces and showing the nation up as racists?

I mean fuck the russians, but fuck half to the UK too, they're irredeemable assholes.

Meanwhile, Rees-Mogg has rented a boat and is throwing perfectly good fish away.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 12:51, Share, Reply)

Equating voting Brexit with being a racist
simply shows the utter poverty of your mental processes.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 12:58, Share, Reply)

And as usual the self declared racist has decided that he's not on the racist side.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:05, Share, Reply)

Said he that posted "russians are assholes" a while back.

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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:07, Share, Reply)

Ah so you think their anti-gay laws, election fixing, fucking around on the international stage are all cool do you? Perhaps I should have put the Russian government and everyone that supports them?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:11, Share, Reply)

Fair enough, tell me whihc other asshole countries we can negatively generalise the population of.

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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:14, Share, Reply)

Wherever you live.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:21, Share, Reply)

One day, you will have successfully identified all the racists in the world
Which will turn out to be everyone except you. Then we'll all award you a super-big halo.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:15, Share, Reply)

You actively chose to hurt the UK population, your reasons are moot (not that you or anyone that voted brexit has ever given me any that are rational) and you're most definitely on the racist side.

Halo not required, just pointing out what you lot are and that you've chose to spite yourself and also people that didn't vote for Brexit, which gives me all the ammo I need to call you out for what you are.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:21, Share, Reply)

How come you're allowed to say Russians when you mean their government
without being a racist, but other people must be racist when they critisise Europe but they really mean the European Union?
(eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:10, Share, Reply)

I corrected myself.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:32, Share, Reply)

I'm not a racist.
I did call an entire country assholes, but I corrected myself when I was challenged about it. That's not being racist.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:25, Share, Reply)

Nope it's being called out for being a hypocrite, that's very different.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:36, Share, Reply)

Try as you might to deflect the point
You were called out as a hypocrite because you actually were being racist even while telling other people off for being racist.

God calling people racist is fun isn't it? You terrible racist.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:48, Share, Reply)

Russia is a country, not a race.

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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 16:39, Share, Reply)

Apparently countries are races when it comes to Evil making a point.

However he's right, I don't like Russia.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 16:46, Share, Reply)

Okay dokey...
So when you're going round calling people that voted to leave racists.
What demographic do you believe they are being racist against?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 16:51, Share, Reply)

I'll give you one great example as you're too lazy to google. This is your mate phoning lbc
https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-response-to-racist-brexit-voter/
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 17:21, Share, Reply)

So you found 1 racist leave voter?
I'll balance that out with you being a racist remain voter.
Also you didn't elaborate on how you are branding all leave voters racist.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 21 Mar 2018, 11:54, Share, Reply)

Oh we're going that way are we?
Maybe we should let those Britain First fuckwits out of prison because they couldn't possibly be racist because Islam isn't a race? Because that's the core of your argument isn't it?

But let me help you out some more.

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/racist-and-religious-crime-cps-prosecution-policy is very helpful here. It defines a racist or religious crime as:

"there is evidence that the accused person demonstrated hostility, or was motivated by hostility towards the victim because of the victim's membership of a racial or religious group."

And further goes on to define a racial group as:

"Racial group - this means any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin. This could include Gypsies and Travellers, refugees, or asylum seekers or others from less visible minorities. There has been a legal ruling that Jews and Sikhs are included in the definition of racial group."
(emphasis mine).

You colossal racist.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 17:06, Share, Reply)

Damn. Does that mean I’m not allowed to moan about bloody yanks any more?

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jonbob loves you, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 22:13, Share, Reply)

That correction only accounts for one half of my question.
You're still accusing other people of being racist for having done the same exact thing that you did.
(eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 16:25, Share, Reply)

Paucity
is a much more fitting word
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:13, Share, Reply)

I always thought paucity = lack
and poverty = shit

[EDIT - here you go: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_status_examination]
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:59, Share, Reply)

You are correct in your meanings
I thought you were saying they had a lack of mental processes, rather than they had lots but they were shit.

I don't agree with what you said either way but I thought there was a better word for it.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 20:10, Share, Reply)

^Fucking this

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The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 17:31, Share, Reply)

Lets see we have...
The "cake and eat it" line - Check
Use of childish name calling - Check
Accusations of racism - Check
And lastly diversion - Check

Classic.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:02, Share, Reply)

Isn't it odd how all of those things are still true?

Tell me again how we're going to be miles better off post brexit?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:08, Share, Reply)

Well for one we won't be ruled by an organisation that brushes of the use of nerve agents on one of it's states.
Tell me again when the apocalypse that was predicted if we vote leave is going to happen.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:12, Share, Reply)

The currency is fucked, growth has stalled compared to the rest of the eu nations, inflation is on the up, wages aren't increasing in line with them, our infrastructure projects are under risk, (although with HS2, that's a damn good thing), the cost of living has increased and finally we have empowered a bunch of racists to literally kill MPs and beat up innocent people.

What exactly has to happen for you to consider it bad? I mean actually the heavens splitting apart, raining fire and the dead walking? I guess that's potentially in line with believing Brexit was a good plan.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:25, Share, Reply)

Well, it's making the man-children upset
So it can't be all bad.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:29, Share, Reply)

"We voted Brexit because we actively want to spite people". Nice.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:41, Share, Reply)

Well, I didn't vote for Brexit
But I do enjoy seeing stupid people frothing with rage.

Not that there aren't excellent reasons for wishing to remain in the EU. It's just that you're unable to articulate them. All you're capable of is rage and name-calling.
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:49, Share, Reply)

But you're a self confessed racist, you must be a leaver.
You've just popped Dinnys bubble.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:12, Share, Reply)

Please explain why I shouldn't be angry that half the country had been hijacked by people determined to fuck over our economy, restrict my freedom of movement, isolate the country politically and culturally, remove my human rights and in the process highlight just how unfit both our government and opposition are to anyone with eyes?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:18, Share, Reply)

"Remove my human rights" lol
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Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:32, Share, Reply)

You don't think the government will follow through on their promise to replace the Human Rights Act with a British Bill of rights? A bill that May says will include specific provisions for extra snooping powers and imprisonment measures.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:38, Share, Reply)

It is refreshing
that this is being admitted now.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:13, Share, Reply)

When we leave

(dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:38, Share, Reply)

lol
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:41, Share, Reply)

For real this time?
Because first it was to be after the vote. (Punishment budget etc)
Them goal posts keep moving.

Maybe you'll get your wish, we'll see.
But it'll still be worth it.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:46, Share, Reply)

Why will it be worth it?

(dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:21, Share, Reply)

I believe the freedom to make your own decisions is worth the risk of something going wrong.
See also making own laws, controlling our borders (Ireland exempt), state aid, Control over our fisheries (yes I know), ethical trade policy that doesn't totally fuck over Africans, etc.

Worth it.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:48, Share, Reply)

We have control over our borders. Go read the Schengen agreement. We're not part of it.

We are now in a position where we have to accept a number of EU laws but have lost our veto, so we have less power and control over making our own laws than when we could guide them.

Fisheries? I guess you'll be on the boat with Rees-Mogg then.

Ethical Trade policy with Africa? A noble concept, but which Tory party member is championing your noble idea at the expense of their pocket lining?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:01, Share, Reply)

So go make your own decisions somewhere
be the bastion of bootstrapping and self reliance we know all brexiters to be.

Stop relying on a society and laws based on communal benefit and strike out on your own.

Just whatever you decide to do, do not drag us with you. Apart from the fact that we are quite happy with things the way they are, it does not fit with your stated political outlook, being that we should choose for ourselves...
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:11, Share, Reply)

Nope, you were quiet happy with the way things are.
The majority either weren't or didn't care enough to vote when finally given the option.

Maybe if we were given the choice on the future of our role in the EU before hand maybe things would be different.

But no, government after government refused to let the plebs decide.
1975 is the last time we got a say.

We've been dragged along for decades now it's our turn.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:48, Share, Reply)

"Freedom to make your own decisions". what that does that mean?
You want the current shower of fuckwits in charge you have more avenues to make fucking awful decisions?
Because it won't be you or i making these decisions about which direction the uk goes. i bet you that direction will be a race to the bottom.
"ethical trade policy" with the saudi arse licking tories in charge?!
"Making our own laws" what can we not currently do that you'd like to?
"Controlling our borders" this country NEEDS immigration. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy.
"Control over our fisheries". I remember looking up how big an area this was and to me it looked insanely unfair how much more we had than the others.
(dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 17:48, Share, Reply)

OK
How about when Putin, who funded it to weaken the EU and NATO, starts blatantly provoking the west, specifically the country he just paid to weaken, and they respond in such a way that he can validate military action?

I am reminded of foreign policy as described by Bill Hicks using a fictional recount of Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheep herder's feet: "Pick it up."

"I don't wanna pick it up mister, you'll shoot me."

"Pick up the gun."

"Mister, I don't want no trouble, huh. I just came down town here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about 10 rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, mister."

"Pick up the gun."

Boom, boom.

"You all saw him. He had a gun."

In this example, Putin is Jack Palance and the UK is the homesteader who is about to point a gun at Palance.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:54, Share, Reply)

Well we're not about attack russia military so I don't see how you can make that comparison.
In fact the UK state appears to have been appeasing putins actions here for some time.The use of a military nerve agent must have just been too big to cover up as a suicide.

It was originally being spun by the state as fentanyl poisoning.
Might have stayed that way until a police responder got it too and they had to decontaminate half of Salisbury.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:04, Share, Reply)

Neither was the sheep herder about to attack Jack Palance in the analogy. Do you really not understand English?
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:46, Share, Reply)

I just see that as sensible
when an entity blatantly more capable of dealing with any conflict is trying to force one, the only proper way through is to not rise to their blatant baiting.

Of course with all the right wing shit rags bleating about traitors, sovereignty, and nationalism, it will be difficult for the PM to justify doing so even though it is important that they do not rise to the bait.

EDIT : and if you read the tweet that started this whole conversation, Junkers mentions security TWICE in it.

These people know what they are saying and they dog whistle it to each other all the time. They know Putin is trying to weaken the EU and NATO and they are telling him they will be trying to stop that.

"relations between the #EU and #Russia are crucial to the #security of our continent. Our objective should be to re-establish a cooperative pan-European security order."

Which to me sounds like they take the killings seriously, so seriously they will not twattersplat about them, unlike a certain American president...
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:59, Share, Reply)

in other words, we've had 20 years of non-cooperation under your current president, we think things should change

(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:19, Share, Reply)

No, I don't mean that at all.
What I mean is you would kind of expect that when a present EU member, NATO ally, has Russia use chemical weapons on its soil that PERHAPS Juncker might condemn the Russia leader rather than pop his nob in his gob and isolate us further.

Brexit is stupid, and Juncker is a cunt.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 13:28, Share, Reply)

This I can get on board with.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:47, Share, Reply)

I am glad we can still be friends <3

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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 16:57, Share, Reply)

it's got nothing to do with the UK, it's about the EU's relationship with Russia
Putin feeds on aggression as he's built his whole platform on aggressive 'Russia against the world' nationalism. In order to counter that sort of narrative you disrupt it by extending an offer of friendship, break the cycle of aggression or at least expose Putin as the primary aggressor perhaps emboldening opposition elements within Russia, because that's the only way he will fall. Expose his paranoia as false and Russia's enemies as potential friends
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:09, Share, Reply)

This seems
to be what they are doing.

Disarm with a smile because they have more guns and you cannot disarm with force.

Tough talk plays into Putin's hands.

The people who want tough talk want our government to play into the hands of Putin.

Why would someone who cares about the future of our country want our leaders to follow Putin's plans and directions?

I don't know, but they do.

Trump, Brexit, now these spies.

All Putin.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 15:20, Share, Reply)

That I see.
But he has successfully destabilised the EU after their perceived meddling in Ukraine and the expansionism he sought to see off.

He's outclassed the west in Syria, has buggered the US. I am sure offing someone on UK soil was all about getting a predictable response from us so he can then win his election.

I am not sure at this point it matters what the EU does. The damage is done. Putin is a strategic master and we rowing in circles over Brexit, the US is in self destruct and the EU is contemplateing life without one of the two net contributors.

We'll all be eating borscht next week. Mark my words.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 17:04, Share, Reply)