Anyone wanna defend this?
Looking forward to seeing any attempts.
(and yes, Sophie is, obviously, a male who says he’s a woman)
— Link to tweet
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 0:02, Reply)
Storm in a teacup
Though I admire the artistry in gaslighting the gallery owner into a poorly worded caveat, makes me nostalgic for when the trolls here killed off qotw with similar hijinks
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 6:08,
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Defend what exactly?
There’s so much to unpack here and so little context that it’s difficult to understand what is raising your blood pressure now.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 6:09,
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It does make me wonder if there would be so much controversy surrounding this if the pervert was biologically female.
Regardless, if you're into this kind of stuff then you're a fucking nonce in my book. It's just a lighter version of the lolicon/shotacon filth that mentally ill weebs have been churning out for decades.
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 6:09, Reply)
What percentage of women do you think
Have paraphilias involving children, compared to percentage of male people who demand to be seen as women?
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 9:07, Reply)
Well, either
they want you to say that people born biologically male, either through some inherent biological urge or societal programming, are more likely to have paraphilias involving children, or they want you to say the opposite.
Either way, it is very likely that whichever viewpoint you have will be criticised and used as an example of your backwards thinking and outdated, bigoted, views.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 12:27,
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there's a fair few women furries, pretty high rate compared to most other fetishes
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 12:39,
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publically contributing to a furry art site in their personal time seems pretty tame to me
compared to the sick filth I imagine most of you wank to
though as far as I could tell the exhibition was about Labelle comic strip, not her private passions, so it all seems a little judgey
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 11:09,
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Furries give me the fucking creeps. But I was perhaps a little harsh to lump these 'diaperfur' weirdos into the same basked at your average garden variety nonce.
There doesn't appear to be an overtly sexualised nature to her artwork from what I've managed to find in a relatively brief dive into Google. Certainly, the picture everybody is clutching their pearls over is not sexualised in the slightest (unless I'm completely missing something) and I'm pretty sure she isn't the first illustrator to use a photograph for reference, especially when it comes to getting anatomic proportions correct.
I have absolutely no doubt that the criticism she is receiving has its roots in transphobia. There's no end of Cis folk out there producing far more questionable images without the slightest hint of public flogging.
That being said, if she has produced sexualised lolicon/shotacon style images then she's still a fucking nonce. It matters not a fuck that the subjects are anthropomorphised animals, nor what the artist's gender/sex might be.
Edit:
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 11:34, Reply)
whatever your feeling about trannies, I'm astounded by how much passion and bile they seem to generate
given that theres so few of them. Why is clinteastwoodbradfield and all these blokes on twitter getting so vexxed about it?
Fucking grandstanding about "exposing children to a trans nonce fetishist", It's an inner manchester micro brewery hosting an exhibition of a trans comic artist, not centre parcs. No families are wandering in off the street and being corrupted into the evil lifestyle, if they pull a crowd at all, which is a dubious proposition, it's going to be people supportive of trans rights already, and if theres kids they're going to starting at their phones as they do at every other thing in life, not getting nonced.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 12:15,
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In this case, it seems as if
a generic "suitable for all" message on the flier has been re-interpreted as a childrens show with balloons and cake.
I'm down with banning kids from all art galleries and pubs if they want a compromise.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 12:44,
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Shops too, please. And cinemas.
Actually, I'm all for just banning them in general.
Edit: Misinterpreted, indeed!
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 13:42, Reply)
Banning kids would certainly solve the overpopulation problem.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 14:40,
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"compared to the sick filth I imagine most of you wank to..."
"...seems a little judgey". Oh my...
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 13:22, Reply)
and out come the pitchforks...
i certainly wouldn't want to weigh in in support of labelle with all this vacuous "she's a witch!"-shrieking going on.
at least wipe the spittle off your face if you're looking for a reasonable conversation
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 6:37, Reply)
You, and those tweets, are clearly looking to make a transphobic point out of this.
So don't try to pretend otherwise.
If Sir Ian McKellen was giving a talk on his time making the Hobbit movies in a family friendly setting, you wouldn't expect him to also explain how he likes to bugger men as part of that talk would you?
So stop sexualising trans people.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 7:33,
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If pointing out
That a guy who literally uses real photos of babies as a basis for drawing furry nappy fetish porn uses his trans identity as a shield and has moron “allies” falling over themselves to help him is transphobic, then I happily and gladly accept the label.
You want to have a look at yourself mate.
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 8:14, Reply)
she doesnt draw babies, she draws dogs.
some twitter user found a single photo they claim "perfectly matches" an artwork of a dog getting into pool, even though the arms, head and pool are in different positions. Like them, you're making a much exaggerated (and mendaciously pluralised) point of this because simply admitting you hate trans people makes you seem like a bigot, and like homophobes of the past (and some current US politicians still do) associating gays with nonces was a promising line of attack. though of course we know now that out gays were the least dangerous group in terms of kiddy-fiddling, most rock spiders are your 'hetero' uncles, scoutmasters and priests
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 12:33,
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“Stop sexualising the guy who has made it known that he’s at best
nonce adjacent”
Is quite the take
But what you’re too stupid to understand is that it’s not actually trans people I have an issue with; it’s credulous fucking idiots like you who have happily removed your critical faculties so that the most extreme demands of an activism can be free from scrutiny, as can the worst impulses of the worst members of the community. It’s people like *you* who enable it, not some poor sod with a genuine ongoing condition that he alleviates by living as if he;s a member of the opposite sex.
You claim I’m making a transphobic point. What exactly do you think that point actually is?
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 8:17, Reply)
You're deliberately and repeatedly misgendering a trans woman.
That's either ignorant, or deliberately transphobic. I think I can tell which one from the context.
This isn't funny.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 10:08,
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I’m correctly observing the sex
of a man who makes fetishistic artworks based on photos of babies, who targets his one man show at families.
You are not occupying the moral high ground here
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 11:15, Reply)
I'm not attempting to dispute the fetish.
If you attacked Stephen Fry's right to appear at a show for some reason, and repeatedly called him a Jew-boy and arse-bandit while doing so, it would appear that you're anti-Semitic and homophobic, which would undermine any other points you were trying to make.
So I'm attacking your repeated deliberate misgendering of a trans woman. This behaviour is transphobic. Your repeated actions make you appear to be transphobic.
This isn't funny.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 11:35,
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Calling a male a man
Is not equivalent to using a slur to describe a Jewish person.
It is a refusal to agree with a lie. One that you know to be a lie, too.
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 14:24, Reply)
No, it's exactly the same status as a protected characteristic
www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/equality-act/protected-characteristics#reassignment
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 19:09,
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You're conflating 2 things that IMO should be separated
to have a sensible conversation on this topic.
Male/Female is the biological sex of someone, and you can't change that. Males are the sex that produces sperm and females are the sex that carries babies to term.
Man/Woman is the socially constructed gender that is applied to people and which can be distinct from your sex. Women wear dresses etc
As such, you can have male men, female women, male women, and female men. If we then combine those categories with a sexual preference defined as 'the genital type you are attracted to' (this can include 'both' and 'none') then we cover all the bases and can also stop the ludicrous thing that's been happening lately where, for example, lesbians are being told they are transphobic because they don't want to suck cock.
The person in the article is a male woman, now there should be no cognitive dissonance or suggestion that people are being dishonest because of the conflation of male/female and man/woman.
Feel free to completely ignore all that though because it would mean you'd have to stop being an angry straight bloke who seems upset that not all other blokes are straight, and as a consequence of that straightness, angry.
"I don't get it mate, why can't they just all be straight, like me?"
If people lying gets you upset, you must be apoplectic every time you consider the state of modern politics then.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Thu 23 Feb 2023, 10:26,
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I think the only defence
is that other people also use /links to post things that really aren't in the spirit of the site. Though "other people also do it" really isn't a great defence.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 9:18,
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Is this a five reply argument, or the full half thread?
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 12:12,
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Just the 5 reply argument please
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Thu 23 Feb 2023, 10:31,
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I am not going to click on your link or defend your right to be radicalised by the far right and spread their MORAL OUTRAGE
against a tiny minority of vulnerable people.
.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 13:55,
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Here's what you do.
Don't have a twitter account. Don't go on twitter. Don't read the insane ramblings of every Tom, Dick and Harry whose opinions have no relevance to your existence. Get off the internet. Go outside. Enjoy life. You're welcome.
(, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 21:37, Reply)
There are plenty of different degrees of flaccidity among penii these days, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Wed 22 Feb 2023, 22:40,
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