The schools are no better nor worse now
than they were a year ago under Labour - a supposedly completely different political system. Tinkering with the electoral procedure is even less important. If you can change the government in its entirety and still make sod all difference, how is this referendum important?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:21, 2 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Well blow me down, you've totally proven your point there.
That is unequivocal proof staring me right in the face. I totally stand corrected.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:22, Reply)

Tell me how choosing goverment by AV would affect the lives of most British citizens.
I'm interested to know.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:25, Reply)

It's easy to beat The Man
if he's made of straw.
( Kroney, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:28, Reply)

Quite

(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:30, Reply)

It'd make sure all people of voting age can count to five!

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:29, Reply)

I am inclined to agree with your earlier comments about the civil service.
Party politics is really only about the direction of society, the civil service implements this after advising the parties what is achievable within the existing framework.

There is an interesting article in the current Economist on "direct democracy" and where it can lead (California). Equally there are places like Switzerland that are successful in ruling by committees of the people.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:32, Reply)

No, you're wrong:
I am apparently some kind of imbecile because I can see through the hot air and flash that constitutes democratic politics and has done since the C5th BC.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:36, Reply)

It's true Monty
you alone are the one who has realised the participation in politics is a waste of time. If only everybody thought like you eh, if only.

We'd a be a massive shower of washed up cunts with fucked up personal lives.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:41, Reply)

Ah, so voting would resolve the issues I have in my private life, now?
Wow, I really should get involved.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:47, Reply)

showering and washing
would be an improvement for a lot of leftie types
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:51, Reply)

Can we do religion now?
I'd like to hear your cretinous ramblings on monotheistic societies.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:41, Reply)

Sure: organised religion is bad news and for cunts.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:44, Reply)

Agreed.
*dusts off hands*

Pint?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:47, Reply)

Love one.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:47, Reply)

You're not THAT old Monty

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:44, Reply)

I fucking feel like it.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:45, Reply)

I'm pro-AV because I think it's fairer, but you're right, I don't think the services that day people use will change much.
My local MP debates law and all that buisness, but when it comes down to management of the services the NHS provides, or the DWP, or anything else... it seems down to people who have jobs for the sake of having jobs.

If I could elect one law into play, it would be that no civil servent should earn more than the PM. It's rediculous that 'councilers' can get £200k for doing not much more than sitting on a board and deciding on the flowers outside the goverment offices (god forbid they make a desision that is actually important).

What I read about Tower Hamlets makes ill, one of the pourest boroughs in london yet they're spending £40k on celeb apperances for "staff moral".
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:47, Reply)

I sold Tower Hamlets seven chairs for a frankly obscene amount of money last year,
They could have bought some perfectly serviceable ones from Viking for £12 each and bought some school books with the change. Because it's 'public' money and not private this shit gets signed off all day long, 'austerity measures' or not - and I bet you this would be the case no matter which party is in 'power'.

I don't really have a point here other than 'they're all cunts'
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:51, Reply)

How much was the NHS's computer system? £125m or something like that?
I don't get it, as a programer, let's say you're paying every program £50kpa, that would get you a team of programers that is 2500 strong.

Think about that, I very much doubt the 'Windows 7' team comes to that size.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:56, Reply)

The amount of money wasted by lazy public sector managers is obscene.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:59, Reply)

It's disgusting, it really is.
and it's even worst when it goes to companies that aren't even from this country, like ATOS
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 3 May 2011, 16:09, Reply)

We've still got time
to change things. The changes Labour made to education were sweeping and quite radical in a lot of ways. It's going to take time to move on from that.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:26, Reply)

All I can say is
having lived under two supposedly diametrically opposed systems the effect on the day to life of most people is negligible.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:28, Reply)

Well, you flatter them by calling them
"diametrically opposed." The only difference seems to be whether they're proud or slightly embarrassed about having been sent to Eton.
(LongJohnBaldry, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:35, Reply)

Av would lead to even more "centre clustering" and even less choice
as all the least offensive to either end of the spectrum would get in
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:41, Reply)

Is that a bad thing?
Government by alternating extreme parties is hardly getting us anywhere.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:44, Reply)

Neither the Tories nor Labour or even the Lib dems these days could be called extreme
they all occupy a centre left/right stance
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:49, Reply)

I find this is due to wanting to be popular, rather than real conviction.
A strong labour government would inevitably go left, just as the strong tory goverments of the 80's headed up the Unter Dem Linden.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:53, Reply)