It's sci fi. Streching credulity is what it's all about.

( girlinthehole, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:06, 2 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

Sci fi is shit for nonces.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:10, Reply)

you suck

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:11, Reply)

Whatevs!
*flips the bird*
( girlinthehole, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:11, Reply)

Why thank you Mr Dozer for you thrilling contribution.
Shall I repeat my feeling about some of the music that you think is oh so wonderful, or shall we both save our breath?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)

Feel free.
I can expound precisely why sci fi is gash, beyond personal taste. Can you do the same?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)

I have a 15,000
word dissertation on it if that helps
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:22, Reply)

Is this a discussion on toilet paper?

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:23, Reply)

Dissertation on Science Fiction? As part of an English Literature degree?
Interesting.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:23, Reply)

no
it was the dissertation for my Masters in Photography and was a discussion of the representation and role of 'other' as represented by aliens and androids in sci fi

(it fits with photography because it was all linked with contemporary cultural theory which is the theory part of the course)
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:25, Reply)

I probably don't help my case
by pointing out my phd proposal was loosely based on time travel in sci fi. Never did it, mind
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:30, Reply)

I'm not totally dismissing it as a genre.
There have been some phenomenal science fiction works, like Neuromancer and Blade Runner. Where they fit in to canon though is part of other literary traditions. Your bog standard garish covered Sci Fi novels are pointless, geeky doggerel.

Alfred Bester- The Stars My Destination is fantastic, but The Demolished Man is terrible. All due to how well he wrote them.

Didactic fictions are ironically among the most intellectually impoverished of all- and that is where a lot of sci fi falls down. You also need to look at what happens when serious authors dabble in it. If you apply The Breeders test to Ian Banks for instance, he comes out Frank Black rather than Kim Deal.

trufax from the dozerman.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:32, Reply)

I think your missing a lot of what sci fi is currently
yeah there is the boring rockets and heroic spacemen thing, but there are far more interesting things going on that get overlooked. You can't judge a genre on its worst examples - otherwise all genres would be shit.

Oh and 'real' authors can fuck up sci fi pretty bad, or at the very least not do it justice. Iain Banks is pretty awesome, but he's a proper sci fi nerd, too, and knows his shit.
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:39, Reply)

Ian Banks is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:04, Reply)

Ooh, also the use of bright white, surgical type areas in the Alien films against the 'other' as represented by everything else there.
Alien was fantastic.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:37, Reply)

Get with the programme dad, tune in to Autechre and get your freak on

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:21, Reply)

Incunabula and Amber were fantastic.
They've been strangers to a melody for a hell of a time, great live but vanished up their own backsides somewhat.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:26, Reply)

Comrades a big liar, I for one saw him in the Megadog Tent at Phoenix in 96, he had his glowsticks out and everything
I ain't seen Autechre since 1996, I really liked them then, have no idea what they do now. The egg keeps coming up on my random ipod fact fans
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:29, Reply)

That was back when they made beautiful, soulful melodic electronica.
Just about all of the stuff post 2000 has been intricately constructed, extremely cerebral glitch.

Very good in its own right, just tedious as fuck.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:35, Reply)

I read somewhere that they wrote software which produces their music now or some such shittery

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:40, Reply)

dont you know that is how all technohouse is made.
A man in glasses just presses a button and some technohouse comes out there is no talent it is just shit that all goes UNSK UNSK UNSK UNSK and that is why dance music is all shit and the 'beats' just go BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM and Lars Ulrich is way better at drumming BECAUSE HE IS REAL AND IS IN METALLICA not that dance music is real drumming anyway except for Reprazent and BBF and Lars wouldnt play it anyway cos it is not music and is SHIT SHIT SHIT and there is nobody playing any real instruments so it is all shit.

amirite?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:45, Reply)

Probs, I'm pretty sure most of the 'live' dance acts I've seen have pressed a play button and then looked busy twiddling knobs for the next hour.

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:48, Reply)

This is exactly what happens when they play 'live'.
It's because they have to hide having no talent and not making any real music.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:59, Reply)

nope, my bluff is called.
I like what I like and you like stuff that is less good, but I cannot be arsed talking about it, nothing to gain for either of us.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:27, Reply)

'Stuff that is less good.'
That made me lol. Name names. I understand you are a metaller, right?

Oh dear.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:34, Reply)

You understand but a tiny fraction of the wonder that is me.
I'm really not interested Dozer, I like what I like, I'm not in the mood to defend it or to argue about why I think some of what you like is shit, it's just not worth the breath.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:36, Reply)

You must be chicken, boy
a long streak of yellow there
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:41, Reply)

That's it though.
Nobody has to defend what they like. But if there can be some reasoning outside of 'I just think it's shit' then it's all good.

For the record, I love Kyuss, Sunn O))), Pantera, Slayer and Nine Inch Nails. I also love underground house, breakbeat, Black Flag, NWA, Mos Def, Teenage Fanclub and drum n bass.

Big fucking deal.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:42, Reply)

OK, very breifly.
No idea where you got metaller from, maybe 10 years ago, but I have fairly diverse tastes now. For taste I like the sound of guitars generally, I also like a tune and some lyrics. I suppose beyond that which is mere aesthetic preference (although I think it's hard to convey meaning or emotion with out words), I go with Bill Hicks "Play with your heart", I like a bit of passion.

The stuff you linked (I think, may have been someone else but I think it was you) had none of these things, so I didn't like it. It also sounded very samey and repetitive to me. I'm sure there are things to be said for it, but I do not think it will ever be for me.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:49, Reply)

I think all genres
(music, film, books, etc.) sound samey when you don't know them well. It's like when you know a group of people, it takes a while for the nuances of their personalities to become apparent
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:53, Reply)

Maybe in your autistic little world, but I could tell you from Rorry in a heart beat.
I know what you mena TBH, but even if I could tell Drum'n'Bass from Hard House (and for all I know one is a form of the other) I think I stand more chance of liking Opera than either.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:57, Reply)

Opera is awesome
I'll have nothing said against it
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:58, Reply)

Hard House and DnB are as distinct from each other as Country is from Nu Skool Breaks.
What the Comrade seems to think is a passionate love of REAL music is in fact ignorance.

I hate opera, just for the record, I find it puerile in the extreme. Also, operagoers lap up stuff in the plot, music and lyrics they would sneer at in any other genre. I saw Aida the other week and found it reet funny. I'm sure comedy is the last thing it is meant to be.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:02, Reply)

hey I genuinely like opera, and I'm not some snobbish cunt!

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:05, Reply)

You don't find it faintly hilarious?
I AM DYING OF A TERRIBLE WOUND, THIS TERRIBLE WOUND THAT MY SECRET LOVER HAS INFLICTED ON ME! THE SECRET LOVER WHO SANG A VERY LOUD SONG ABOUT OUR SECRET LOVE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER PRINCIPLE PLAYERS!

MY LUNG IS COLLAPSING YET I SING, I SING BECAUSE I AM DYING!

I can't take it seriously, sorry. Also, I'm a very visual guy, and the only fit birds on stage are dancers and as such mere bit part players. If I was into BBW then maybe I'd appreciate it more.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:09, Reply)

so your story is someone once linked to some music that you didn't like?
And 'repetitive'? Just about every single song/ track whatever in just bout every single genre is repetitive. That's what a riff is. I was listening to some Pantera once and it was just the same sequence of chords a few times on the verse, then a different sequence twice on the chorus, then back to the first one again. I was so bored I went and listened to Smells Like Teen Spirit. Same thing on that.

So I took a different tack. I put on a Public Enemy CD and skipped straight to a 'song' called She Watch Channel Zero?! (nice interrobang, I thought to myself). The thieving black bastards had only gone and STOLEN a Slayer riff! Then they 'looped' it! REPEATING A REPETITIVE PHRASE!

So then I fucked it all off and sought refuge in some free jazz. Absolutely no repetition at all, but sadly no fucking tune either.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:58, Reply)

"Nobody has to defend what they like. But if there can be some reasoning outside of 'I just think it's shit' then it's all good."
Fuck off Dozer, I said I had no interest in this shit, and your pointing out that, in your mind, things that you think I like have the flaws I attribute to things you like will not make me think your music taste is any less shit, it just makes me think it's shit and at least one of the people who likes it is a dick too.

So, congrats, you have made me like it infinitesimally less.

And now I'm doing what I should have done in the first place and leaving this idiotic conversation alone.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:04, Reply)

Sorry, I couldn't make head nor tail of your first paragraph there.
I'm going to go and cry myself to sleep to some Megadeth.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:06, Reply)

Oh for fucksake you tit.
I'm not a metaller and I don't have some retarded passion for "REAL" music, I just don't like drum'n'bass, OK? If you can let that lie we can get on with areguing about something that matters, but if you want to pick a fight, do please try to make it about something I actually believe, M'kay?

Here's a hint: Have a crack at Bicycles (specifically old and rusty ones), left-wing politics, atheism or breasts, and I might bight, but Muscal taste? It really is so subjective there's just no point.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:12, Reply)

I have no interest in bikes.
I am very left wing in outlook (though more liberal than left these days, I still describe my outlook as essentially Socialist though, I suppose my admiration of John Berger's work feeds directly into that, but I digress), am atheist of course and I love breasts.

Aight?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:16, Reply)

fine, so more or less the only thing we disagree on is music.
Oh, and Sci Fi. As long as you don't like Marmite I have no reason to stab you at the bash.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:20, Reply)

I love marmite.
Which bash?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:21, Reply)

Monty's
Die Marmite eater!
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:23, Reply)

I'm not sure, I like it when it's believable.
and the whole @do you realise we have the perfect crew right here?' thing is reminding me of cliff Richard, if they start singing....

I also think I'd believe it if they had the cash to just buy a ship and go, but the idea of the jesuits accepting them, just too much. but then it hasn't happened yet, so maybe it'll work, not a mojor flaw as yet.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:10, Reply)

I'll admit I found that a little 'lucky' but a minor irritation when put in context of how the story evolves.

( girlinthehole, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:12, Reply)

I can live with it, just the only bit that hasn't rung totally true so far.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:14, Reply)

Speaking of which my current book is just starting to get interesting so I'm off to bed.
Night all!!!
( girlinthehole, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:15, Reply)

Night Blousie!
Sweet dreams.

I hope Spot finds his ball.
( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:15, Reply)

night.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:18, Reply)

i dunno
I reckon if I heard an alien signal I could find friends with the right kind of skills pretty quickly.

Or at least people who claimed they had the skills because they rolled an 18 on intellect
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:15, Reply)

As could I.
the chances I could talk any organisation into sending us off to another planet however...
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:19, Reply)

*wonders if the Pope would sponsor me*
Maybe if I promised to bring back some alien kids
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:24, Reply)

You might pull it off
what with that whole believing in god shtick you have going on. I, on the other hand am a godless heathern and then some, verging on the theophobe. I suppose I could try the BHA, but I tend to think they are twats too mostly.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:29, Reply)

This was not, may I point out, meant to be disrespectful of your beliefs.
I say this as, just for once, even though most of your beliefs seem to be diametrically opposed to mine, you seem like a nice person, so I'm trying not to be offensive, even though this is my default state of being.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:39, Reply)

I just wiki'd the book.
Doesn't sound like my kind of thing. I find 'proper' scifi quite hard to get into.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:20, Reply)

There is no sci-fi on the pier.

( JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Wed 31 Aug 2011, 22:20, Reply)