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( , Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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and it’s forced me to entirely re-evaluate my view of the Romans. It’s flipped my fucking lid, man. That series and Neil Oliver’s exemplary Vikings programme are really rocking my televisual world at the moment. You can shove your ‘cult US drama Box sets’ up your Dexter and shit out a Breaking Bad. Go on, fuck off.
Also, it turns out that being a nonce is actually fine, and objecting to child sex abuse is ‘petty’.
When was the last time you were forced to re-examine a deeply entrenched viewpoint of yours?
Alt: GCSEs - good idea to get rid of them? I say yes, they were shit and increasingly irrelevant. Plus I have full confidence that my clever child will do fine at exams etc. Bring back a two tier education system as it keeps the divvies in their place.
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History of the world but not the usual stuff, looks interesting.
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19586313
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Hope this helps x
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but i might even sit in my comfy armchair with a beer, and put my feet up.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:46, Reply)

There might be children reading this m8
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:44, Reply)

any kids reading today need to GTFO and FAST, there's a fuckin' NONCE on here.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:00, Reply)

It is really fucking rare that I am actually waiting for the next episode of a television programme.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:41, Reply)

I can't watch BBC2 in HD, but my telly has the iPlayer app.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:43, Reply)

and murderers. I've yet to find a documentary about a murderer who only does fat people, but one day, my dream will come true.
I don't care what you say, i still think fucking kids in the bum is wrong, and i can't change that.
Alt: Two tier is the way to go, GCSE's were and are wankytosh.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:40, Reply)

Is the ability to recall things you've been told a good measurement of intelligence? This question to caller number 1.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:41, Reply)

exams, posed at the right stage in education, that encourage open discussion of the subject matter, therefore giving you and idea of how well the student has grasped the over riding concepts is fine. But it seems, and remember i'm a bit younger than you, when i was going through GCSE's and A-levels, we were less taught about the subject, and more taught how pass the exam
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:45, Reply)

That being said, a lot of my job (and the jobs of my peers) seems to be less about actually doing something, and more about being SEEN to be doing something. So if you plan on working in an industry built on bullshit schmoozing, maybe you should be taught that way.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:48, Reply)

in my industry, and especially in pubs, there is always something you can be doing to improve your business, the difference between a good manager, and a bad manager is how much of that gets done. Whether that entails the right pro-active staff, reams of job lists, or doing it all yourself, different styles, same goals.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:50, Reply)

A good manager is a good manager, whatever the industry. What's the answer, eh Windy? I'm thinking of becoming a buddhist.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:52, Reply)

1. Education of physically able mongs to do manual work.
2. CSE- type level for cretins.
3. O level- type for the reasonably intelligent.
4. Super stretching exams for the highly able.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:41, Reply)

Any low paid labour for grunts is foreign because it's cheaper. Any apprenticeships are not for grunts cos manufacturing is done by machines and trades now require qualifications - even to empty the bins.
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Alt: I'm not totally up to speed with this, but does this mean that coursework will not count toward the final grade? I was a total stressed-out spazz when it came to exams back in the day so I'm of the opinion that that's one big basket that all the eggs are going into that'll be broken to make some omelettes which is no better than two bird hands in a bush.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:47, Reply)

Exams will be longer and more difficult.
Endlessly retaking modules within courses to build up the grade will be scrapped.
All v good for me, I was superb at exams but shit at consistently doing good coursework as I can turn it on under pressure but cannot maintain it.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:55, Reply)

When I did GCSE's it was a mixture of the two. Why are we switching to something that suits one type of person, why is assessing someone's ability to grasp a subject over a two hour exam better than assessing their ability over two years? Is this new system going to cover all subjects? I spent ages making a wooden CD rack for my Product Design GCSE , dunno if I could do that in two hours.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:10, Reply)

Alt: Load of old shit.
I've always been an advocate of the German system, where kids are sorted at key points in their education, and streamed into academic, vocational, or general schools. That way you don't work to the lowest common denominator, kids with more manual/non-academic skills are not made to feel like they're thick, and the country has a functioning manufacturing base / skilled tradesmen.
And if you don't reach the level needed at the end of the year, you stay down and repeat it. That kind of motivation makes kids WORK. But strangely, German kids don't seem to suffer the same kind of stresses that ours do with the SATs nonsense.
tl;dr - Long live der Vaterland!
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:47, Reply)

They have their shit together, yo.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:00, Reply)

Consistency= consistently average. If you want the best you also have to accept that there will be failure-someone has to be at the bottom. The modern school way of handing out certificates for turning up promotes mediocrity and holds back the intelligent ones.
There is no way half the people in the country are intelligent enough to do degrees - it's just to keep them off the unemployment books a bit longer. Making the degrees easier just devalues them.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:01, Reply)

People who are more likely to survive should get the best treatment we should just accept that some people die, and use trainee doctors on the elderly or premature babies, and the good doctors on the non smoking, healthy 20-35 year olds with no family history of disease.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:26, Reply)

It's more about suiting the education to the child. If someone can't do physics, maths and latin, that doesn't mean they're thick. They might just be better at manual stuff like plumbing or bricklaying or something.
There's no question of them being second class citizens. The country recognises the need for a manufacturing backbone, and tradespeople are thought of in the same way as businessmen. Everyone's doing a job.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:31, Reply)

He's like a Viking Richard Littlejohn. I am not joking here.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:54, Reply)

'not especially. you were a decent chap to have a drink with, but increasingly I have no time for your online persona. I de-friended you because you reposted my FB status on /ot, maybe not the greatest crime, but it annoyed me at the time.
anyway, not looking for a discussion on this, but I thought maybe a strait answer would stop the repetition of the same question'
FUCKING DIDDUMS.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:08, Reply)

Just my opinion, of course.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:12, Reply)

Don't see much Waahing in that.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:23, Reply)

Fucking flouncing autisms. ;)
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:24, Reply)

As I am sure was the case when I flounced.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:42, Reply)

Ho hum, not going to loose sleep over it.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:01, Reply)

What ever happened to us? *sniff*
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:18, Reply)

I acted like a cock
I flounced
I apologised
you accepted it(I think)
I came back
you called me a cunt
I gazzed you
you posted it.
feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:28, Reply)

and apparently school's going to be compulsory until 17 in future. So they'll take GCSEs and then next year, presumably, take A/S levels. Meaning that A/S levels will become the graduating qualification standard and GCSEs will be...well, kind of pointless.
Can't be long before they're abolished.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 10:59, Reply)

Inventing a kind of higher version of an A just makes an A into a fucking B you stupid fucking cunts.
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It's fucking stupid.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:06, Reply)

And you find that A* the problem?
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:08, Reply)

All those systems remain as they were set up. If they were to introduce a new 'First * super-first' degree qualification I would have the same objection.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:13, Reply)

they could've kept to the same system. But there's this weird drive to show that everyone's a winner and awesome and thick people can be clever academics too.
That's my problem with the A* grade.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:22, Reply)

The top 5% are the best, renaming that grade with some spastic new name, so that the second best people's grade now has the name of the old best ones, is fucking pointless and shit.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:26, Reply)

That means someone who qualified with an A in 1985 could have have been a B standard in 1990.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:32, Reply)

they're mainly set for the universities and industry as a cheap way to judge people. For that to be useful, they need to be comparable over different years.
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"we need another layer of judging, to show not everyone who got over 75% but everyone who got over 85%" so pragmatically the government went "ok then, but rather than fuck up all the past stuff we'll just do an A+, actually that sounds to American what other symbol can we use"
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what do we do then man, what do we do then?
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:42, Reply)

That's a daft statement. Are you suggesting that the average IQ of the human race is increasing generation by generation?
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:46, Reply)

for whom these qualifiactions were devised?
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:48, Reply)

They're saying it's hard to find the top few percent themselves.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:53, Reply)

I find it hard to believe, but if that's what the stats say, there's no point arguing.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:52, Reply)

It's designed so that the average is always 100. So every time it's redone the boundaries change so the average score will always be 100.
If you do an IQ test from 1950ish, the current average is about 120
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:55, Reply)

I donj't see why not, although I was more raising the question than making that claim.
If we accept that intelligence is at least partly a matter of training, rather than being entirely innate it makes sense, people are getting more and better education younger and thus are learning to think better. Obviously there will be limits to capacity but I don't find the idea incredible and if chompy says it's true then it probably is.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:59, Reply)

general levels of relative prosperity/leasure time may have helped too. the more I think about it the more sense it makes.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:05, Reply)

ie training students to pass specific exams, rather than providing them with a general level of education which they're then tested on. If the IQ testing uses the same method of testing, ie testing people on what they've been trained to be able to answer, then it would make perfect sense that IQ scores would be increasing.
I strongly doubt that the human race is actually getting any more intelligent in the past few decades then it has been since we evolved.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:05, Reply)

But from your description that it's not changed since evolution, it makes me think that you think it's physically the number of neurons and connections. That's increased markedly since the agricultural revolution, still increasing now as we understand more about prenatal and postnatal nutrition. Vaccinations against viruses that can affect new borns and pregnant women. Antibiotics for bacteria.
Also you should look into something called neuroplasticity which is the effect of the enviroment on the physical connection of the brain. Basically, the more you're educated and stimulated, the more you work your mind the more connections exist and the faster they fire.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:16, Reply)

and maximum potential intelligence. I can accept that we're better educated, with a better background understanding of the way the world works and are therefore better equipped to reason through and figure out advanced problems than cavemen, but I don't believe that as a species we have evolved to have a higher potential intelligence. If, for example, you took a Bronze Age baby and brought it up to go through our education system I think it would have the same natural ability to learn and end up as educated as any modern human child.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:26, Reply)

than we were in the past.
How is that different than "the population is getting cleverer"
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:31, Reply)

I think the opposite is far more likely to be the case.
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because they can't tell the difference between "paediatric " and "paedophile".
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:52, Reply)

because their skin is a different colour.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:00, Reply)

then tell them that unless they do well at school they're going to end up like the guests on that show. That would've scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:04, Reply)

You know...because it was that scotch chap, and you're..well...y'know...one of them
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:22, Reply)

we used to ambush their boats and kills them. oh man, we've always been a stereotype :(
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 11:25, Reply)

When everyone else gets it so wrong. Except Limp Bizkit, obviously. They rule.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:37, Reply)

The magnets love each other so much that magic pulls them together.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:37, Reply)

I no longer think you are FreeFair by the way.
Can we be BF and GF?
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:39, Reply)

Maybe now I'll find out if my missus's whinges over the last few years are justified, or if she made it all up!
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:47, Reply)

Well, maybe you do. I don't. I mean I know what they do and I have a vague idea they have a magnetic field and it's probably something to do with electrons, but that's about as far as it goes.
ICP 4EVAR!
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:39, Reply)

and it occurred to me a while back that the amount of shit they get for that line is quite funny as most people don't actually understand how magnets work. Not to say that they are not regards for other reasons BTW.
Anyway, entirely possible I missed the exact definition of irony even if that was so. live with it bitch.;)
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:44, Reply)

As in, ignorant so invoked God as an explanation.
HTH xx
Also, general lollage at ICP because they are shit and childish.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:47, Reply)

you can't understand electromagnetism unless you understand quantum electrodynamics and you can't understand that unless you know about quantum theory.
But you could get a summary by reading half a page of Wikipedia on magnetism you lazy cunt.
( , Tue 18 Sep 2012, 12:45, Reply)
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