I have extremely mixed views of the metropolitan police:
Their Sapphire unit was excellent when a friend of mine was raped two years ago.

One of my mates has been pulled over more than 10 times in the last few months for DWB (driving whilst black), just because he drives a Lotus.

They were useless in helping us with a mentally ill neighbour (who in the end was sectioned).
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:05, 1 reply, 13 years ago)

Do you think we should go to the US style system of only being allowed to pull someone over if they have 'probable cause'?

( willenium Fist bump for verification, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:08, Reply)

The 'probable cause' in this case was that the person was black

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:09, Reply)

I don't understand what the problem is, here.

( Kroney, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:11, Reply)

Alright Noel.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:18, Reply)

I bet he voted to have the burka banned in public

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:19, Reply)

I actually think wearing burkas is a) fucking weird and b) fucking creepy
and I think that anyone who wants to wear one should be banned from doing so for being a fucking idiot.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:20, Reply)

You are such a right wing racist, you make me SICK

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:23, Reply)

I wouldn't ban the existance of them
just people that actually wanted to wear them. If they were being forced to wear them, then they could, but then everyone would know that the people wearing them were actually the victims of a male dominated deeply misogynistic culture.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:25, Reply)

I heard they like to stick their little brown winkies through the post slot and have the woman flutter her eyelids on their bellends

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:29, Reply)

What's the difference between blacks and Asians?
Black women aren't all that much more efficient than their men.

Worst joke ever told.
( Kroney, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:20, Reply)

Yes.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:13, Reply)

I don't think that's a very good idea
There have been several cases where people who have clearly commited crimes being let off because the police didn't have "probably cause" to pull them over in the first place.

But I do think that better record keeping on the ethnicity of people that are pulled over and those who are stopped and searched and basically fuck over the police forces where the ethnicity of the people covered by "random" searches doesn't match that of the make up of the area where the searches were carried out.

That coupled with any police officer who is shown to have assaulted someone in custody or who uses terms of racial abuse to suspects to be immediately suspended and the people who investigate them to actually investigate the issue and not just act as a whitewash over the official line that no policeman can ever be guilty. And if they are found guilty they should face a much harsher punishment than if the same crime was carried out by a civilian because they should be held to higher account.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:19, Reply)

I suppose the % of stops should eb proportionate to the % of crimes commited by that ethnic group

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:21, Reply)

Yes, you could work out the details along those lines.

(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:24, Reply)

That would still lead to more black people being stopped than white though
and the argument would continue
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:25, Reply)

But then you're providing a valid justification.
At the moment it is totally unjustified, and I don't think the percentage of ethnic minorities that actually get found guilty of crimes is that much greater than that of "white" people.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:27, Reply)

According to my policeman mate it is.
But then he's A) insitutionally racist and B) working in a poor, black area.
( Kroney, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:28, Reply)

I seem to remeber a stat that said the black population makes up X of the overall population, but are responsible to Y% of crimes. Ie more than they should be for their size
the simple explanantion for this is the amount of black people living in poor urban areas, where you get to the real issue which is poverty rather than race.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:32, Reply)

This is basically it
if anything like that can be reduced to a single factor.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:36, Reply)

Plus they are more likely to get stopped by the police, so get caught more often than their white counterparts.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:39, Reply)

interesting. probably true, but presumably impossible to prove.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:58, Reply)

there are some racial indicators in crimes
a disproportionate amount of drugs/robbery/burglary tend to be black, but you get to the other end of the scale, the rapists, the murderers, and they are nearly all white. as apey says, the former is explicable due to social-economic factors. but why are all the really sick cunts white? weird.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:38, Reply)

Similar reason.
I mean, assuming you're talking about serial offenders, sexual violence and sadistic murder tends to be a middle class crime, presumably to do with some fucked up aspect of upbringing/boredom/whatever I guess. So you could argue if that socio-ecomonic group is predominently white, so will the criminals

I'm not sure more rapists and murderers in general are white though, I bet it pretty much exactly mimics the ethnicity stats in the UK. There are just more white people here.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:42, Reply)

this is as good an explanation as any
i mean, you think of a really sick fucker, your albert fishes, your ian bradys, your myra hindleys - all white.

i read somewhere that a lot of killers have lower than average IQs and higher than average testosterone levels - guess that would explain why so many of them are male. hmmm.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:47, Reply)

You've just named 3 white serial killers.
But I can't think of any others.

Oh hang on, John Wayne Gacy. That's 4, i'm sure that's not representative.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:48, Reply)

This contains a list of 57 black serial killers.
blackpeoria.wordpress.com/list-of-black-serial-killers/
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:50, Reply)

not certain I want to click a "blog should be evidence itself of the growing Race War being waged against White America. "

( glued eel /questions/questionsyoudliketoask/post1648081, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 14:00, Reply)

dennis neilson and ted bundy
where is monty when we need him?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:57, Reply)

oh and peter sutcliffe

( rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:57, Reply)

I heard they were so middle class about it that they had to post their knives and penises back and forth across the country so as to ensure confidentiality.

(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:47, Reply)

take it up with the Wellcome Trust, IT boy.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:51, Reply)

It's cos of our proportionately smaller winkies

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:46, Reply)

I think that is talking in hindsight
If someone is 'obviously' doing something illegal that is grounds for probable cause.

If I can refuse a search, or not let the police search my home or business without a warrant. Why can't I as a free citizen use a public highway without the presumption of innocence?
( willenium Fist bump for verification, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:29, Reply)

Because you're probably doing something illegal just by standing in one place for too long
or by the way you drive.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:36, Reply)

Don't we already have that?
I thought the police couldn't stop you without cause. Hence the flap every time they ask to introduce random breath tests.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 24 Sep 2012, 13:33, Reply)