you don't think the technology exists to create an international database for people convicted in any EU country of a sufficiently serious crime and to make just those people have visas?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:22, 2 replies, latest was 10 years ago)

Do you like waiting at airports?
Because this is how you increase time spent in airports.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:24, Reply)

This is definately the most important issue

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:25, Reply)

If you take the statistical likelihood of getting butchered by an immigrant with past convictions.
And compare it with the inconvenience of dicking about in an airport. I'm willing to take the risk.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:27, Reply)

bit selfish

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

Seriously though, it's a bit reactionary to put all this in place given the frequency of occurrence.
It's a shame for the family and all that; I don't think we need a knee-jerk imposition on our civil liberties to come of it though.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:33, Reply)

It's not your civlil liberties, it's those of criminals

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

If I start needing a visa to go to France
Then, yes, it's my civil liberties.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:40, Reply)

Why would you need a visa?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:44, Reply)

Been banned from mastercard?

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

lol

( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:46, Reply)

civil liberties dont have any bearing on criminal past
they are for all hence civil, what you are saying is once you are tarred then that's it.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

We have an issue with putting measures in place to try to prevent the previous terrorist attack, rather than the next one.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

I think a lot of these measures might be drafted up before the attack happens.
A lot of the patriot act had been written before 11th September happened.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:45, Reply)

god yes
amazing shopping there, esp at gatters
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:27, Reply)

assnd you can drink at breakfast time!

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

alright Battered

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:29, Reply)

go to luton airport on a comedown and report back.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

why, is there only a mini harrods there?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:29, Reply)

But no one has to show a visa.
'Not having a visa' would get you through a border. You could in theory have a list of criminal passport numbers which you could check, but I think the EU would never allow it. In the Schengen area (most of Europe), you don't even need a passport.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:28, Reply)

you said it wouldn't be possible without breaking up the EU
bit of a stretch, was the point.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:30, Reply)

OK, fair enough. It probably wouldn't be possible without US leaving the EU.
Which may happen anyway, if the British public are as stupid as I fear.
(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:32, Reply)

welll, the stupidity of the british public was my original point....

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:34, Reply)

This.
The whole 'checking passports' thing probably wouldn't work in a lot of Europe anyway, considering the checks in a lot of places involve flashing a passport to an exasperated officer who is listlessly waving everybody on.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:31, Reply)

so? that's Europes problem
we brits can do it properly.
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:32, Reply)

I find british passport controls unnecessarily creepy.
Those face scanners would scare the shit out of me if they could recognise me properly.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:34, Reply)

in my experience, they are slower than the original lines
because of the number of belmers who can't do it.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:35, Reply)

Not in mine.
Go to the machine, get knocked back because it can't cope with my beard and glasses, go to the empty 'machine doens't recognise me' desk.
( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:37, Reply)

Fuck knows how many billions some fucking IT consultancy was paid for all that shit.

(Baggenfrock get fucked, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:38, Reply)

I can't wait to fork out for a state of the art smartcard system that won't work and can be defeated by 'buying things and selling them for cash'.

( Slippery Mick ‏, Wed 1 Oct 2014, 13:40, Reply)