Needing some help from any phone buffs.
I just got a Samsung Tocco ultra but I am *really* tempted to swap it for an N96 under the 14 day returns thingy. Which would any of you say is the better phone? I'm not overly fussed about camera quality since I always have my trusty SLR with me which kicks the arse of any camera phone.
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:03, 55 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Go for the N96.
It's AMAZING.
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:05, Reply)

See, that's my inclination...
since it has Symbian and the 3.5mm headphone jack. But it's also a chunky bugger, usually on Symbian you have to manually shut down any app you use to stop it freezing, and I have to convert any films I wanna put on there before they work (I could download DivX but it always seems to be shite on Nokias).

On the other hand, the Tocco ultra has no wifi, a pretty basic OS and I'm still a bit unsure about touchscreen phones.
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:08, Reply)

Don't listen to Kaol. He is full of shit.
Ask Gonzo.
( thealternativefact, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:10, Reply)

Oi!
I was trying to be helpful.
You racist bitch!
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:12, Reply)

You're full of shit.
Get back to your own fucking country.
( thealternativefact, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:13, Reply)

At least I didn't crash
A helicopter by being retarded:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8112062.stm
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:16, Reply)

Bonus points for crashing near a city called 'Darwin'.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:31, Reply)

Yeah :D
I can, sadly, imagine doing that myself.
I got rather distracted by a frog at the weekend.
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:32, Reply)

*laughs uncontrollably*
That was brilliant.
( Captain V, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:34, Reply)

Heh, I'm off to hampstead later on.
Soo many dogs, such little time.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:34, Reply)

We're not the same.
I don't find animals sexually attractive.
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:36, Reply)

Shut up barry

( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:14, Reply)

Hey Barry.
A'right?
( thealternativefact, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:17, Reply)

Alright Barry love
That Barry up there's a right cunt
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:18, Reply)

BARRY YOU RETARD!
Shut it.
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:20, Reply)

Don't be so rude Barry!
Barry is right you are a cunt Barry.
( Captain V, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:26, Reply)

Barry, I couldn't agree with you more.

( thealternativefact, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:29, Reply)

I'm not being rude or a retarb
Barry is a cunt, end of story
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:36, Reply)

I'm on your side Barry!

( Captain V, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:37, Reply)

Barry, you gotta look at who Barry is replying to.
Other wise you'll think it's the other Barry and then we'll all get confused.
Love,
Barry X
( thealternativefact, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:50, Reply)

Snuggles up to Barry
Barry's being mean to me :(
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:57, Reply)

Don't you worry, Barry.
I'll kick Barry's arse.
( thealternativefact, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 13:08, Reply)

Personal opinion,
I like wifi. I don't like touch-screens.
( Cawl, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:11, Reply)

The iPhone/Touch has the best touchscreen I've used, you still have to mostly look at the screen though.
Judgement on the N97 is reserved 'till I try it, but it has the full qwerty.

I'm tempted to play with the N97, I think that now it's got OviStore, I could be persuided to trade the iPhone.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:15, Reply)

What is this Ovistore thing?
An iPhone worshipping friend of mine was raving about it but I haven't the dickens what it is
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:17, Reply)

Ovi is nokia's failed attempt to take over the social networking scene, the full browser version is slow and clunky, filled with so much javascript that nothing really works.
But they've seen the error of their ways and allowed widgets/mini-apps to allow intrigation into pretty much anything.

OviStore is an 'App Store' from Nokia.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:22, Reply)

The thing is, with a 8-16gb MicroSD Card, the N96 would make a more than resnable MP3/4 Player and snapper-camera, plus phone too.
The battery isn't so hot, but the latest firmware makes that slightly better.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:13, Reply)

They are
pretty much chalk and cheese to compare I think, I've not had a great experience with Nokia recently, and I was a VIP member of their beta team (not b3ta).

Samsung make so-so phones, but then again, Nokia seem to do the same these days...
(Ethelred is watching cheese grow, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:09, Reply)

Yep, I agree.
But I steadfastly refuse to get an iPhone, LGs are unreliable and after 10 years of using Nokias, I usually throw a fatty wobble when trying to use Motorolas and Sony Ericssons when it comes to texting.

It's a dilly of a pickle.
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:11, Reply)

By the end of the week, most of the phones will drop down a tier as the N97 and iPhone 3G-S have just come out.
What are the main functions you're planning on using? the N96 has a telly and BBC iPlayer support, which is pretty nifty, plus a large range of software.

I don't like, anymore, S60's calendar/contact/email sync'ing, but I imagine it's still miles better than the Tocca (even though I've not played with that).
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:10, Reply)

Well
I just need it to be able to access "proper" internet for when I'm out and about and invariably lost. I could use wifi, since that'll keep my phone bill down.

I agree with the N97 coming out the N96 may well fall by the wayside, and I've heard the N96 feels kind of cheaply made. I had the N95 and N95 8GB and while they were good they did break easily. Having said that, the last high end Samsung I had (innov8) wound up in the shop 4 times in 6 months.
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:13, Reply)

I had an N82 for the last year-and-half, and I hated browsing the web on it.
I had some software called Joikospot that allowed for me to turn the device into a wireless hotspot, to use my Touch to browse the web... it was a good sollution, but it killed the battery, and I wanted to go all-in-one, except now I'm going to have to get a Snapper Camera as the camera on the iPhone is shit... I'll wait a month or two and go for one with bluetooth in, so I can do all that uploading shit on the move.

I think, currently, the best sollution for an all-in-one would be the N97, but I've not used it yet, so am not entirely sure. I know the 5800's screen is shit, but the N97 uses a different one.

Then there is the Palm Pre if you want to wait a bit, and there is a "iphone killer" coming from Sony come late-auterm, if you don't mind waiting.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:19, Reply)

Oooh the Idou?
I'm a little apprehensive about that. I made the mistake of grabbing the first 8MP camera phone as soon as it landed and it was utter crap. In future I'll always buy the second of something.
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:24, Reply)

That's the one.
Once you hit 7 or 8 mpx, it doesn't make too much of a differance above that... unless you're printing to A3ish size, in which case, you wouldn't use a snapper-camera, but the Idou will be hitting 12mpx with decent optics. It's the rest of the Idou's features that have my gadget-sense tingling.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:29, Reply)

I have Sony's
Xperia X1 (made by HTC) its all of the awesome for what I use it for, but is overly complex for non-techies!
(Ethelred is watching cheese grow, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 13:13, Reply)

Never trust a nokia
or rub another man's rhubarb
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:15, Reply)

So you're saying that
rubbing another man's rhubarb is as bad as trusting a Nokia? Can you give me a second fruit/friction based simile for the samsung to help me compare? You're making the most sense out of everyone so far.
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:16, Reply)

Buy a blackberry
That's a fruit
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:19, Reply)

Is rubbing that ok?
(Obviously, so long as it was my blackberry)
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:20, Reply)

if it's your own blackberry, then you may rub it as much as you wish
you may find it leaves unsightly stains though, but it's your choice. I prefer to caress mine.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:37, Reply)

Blackberrys
Suck. Period.

Ergh, you've reminded me that I have to lug one around, and may even have to use it. Sheesh.
(Ethelred is watching cheese grow, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 13:14, Reply)

Technically
Rhubarb is a vegetable, not a fruit.

/pedant
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:23, Reply)

I didn't call it a vegetable
the mong who can't choose a phone by themselves did.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:40, Reply)

I know
It was a reply to YellowFever. I think.

*gets ruler out to check vertical alignment*
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 13:26, Reply)

My Nokia is awesome
It's never let me down.
( Captain V, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:20, Reply)

I got the LG Renoir not too long ago
It's in about the same market as the Tocco and N96.

It's a bit shit to be honest. The interface is slow, my fingers are shite at the touch screen and now the headphones don't work. Since it's not a 3.5mm jack then I can't simply use another set of headphones lying around.

I'm a bit gutted I didn't just sell my soul and go for the iphone. It's also the only phone out there that generally people coo over.
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:18, Reply)

Yeeeaaaah but...
The best thing about Apple is the marketing team. Stick a lower case i in front of anything and people go catnip mental for it.

iShit anyone?
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:19, Reply)

It's true
Their marketing has been spectacularly successful.

I was hoping there would be a nerds alternative that would have twice the function but nowhere near the "style" of an iphone. Sadly I'm quite sure the fact remains that the iPhone is (by far) the best out there.
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:21, Reply)

Well,
you lot have given me a heap to consider, but I have to return to work. Cheers!
(Tiny Blindfolded Horse Kitten sound car horns would end road rage, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:25, Reply)

Get a Samsubng Omnia
Full internet, easy to text with and the Windows OS is actually pretty good and logical.

And it has a torch on it. Which is the most useful thing (not actually being sarcastic there)
( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:30, Reply)

If I was goin' to go with a WinMo, i'ld check out the HTC Pro 2 or HD 2.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:33, Reply)

Well I'm not you :p
so there
( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:37, Reply)

That's a relief
Not sure I could handle two of him.
( Captain V, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:39, Reply)

I don't think a text based internet forum could take that much sexy.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:40, Reply)

I just thought that chicks dig guys who could quite happily work for Carphonewherehouse.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:41, Reply)