My friends response to the homeopathic medicine link Enzyme posted
"hmmmm ok so i totally agree and see your point with the link...HOWEVER who would buy them from boots? and if you go to a trusted pratitioner you get the proper stuff! Plus even if you are right by some bizarre miracle, who gives a crap if they are sugar pills? At least people can believe in it to get over their psychological health issues. Tobe honest i don' really care all that much! I know you men, you have to be right! anywho I believe in herbal remedies! can't argue with that!"

I think I'll give up, she's too stupid to argue with.
( Peej, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:25, 48 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

*bangs head on desk*
DESPAIR
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:28, Reply)

"the more you dilute something the more effective it is"
anyone who can't see something wrong with that is a moron
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:30, Reply)

You can't always trust common sense.
I don't agree with your argument.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:37, Reply)

I don't think you will ever agree with anything I say

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:38, Reply)

That's probably true.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:43, Reply)

Isn't that technically an agreement?

(Ghost Atreides enjoying incontestable health benefits on, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:07, Reply)

didn't really need to be said ;-)

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:17, Reply)

I agree.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:22, Reply)

I believe in herbal remedies as well.
I've seen them on the shelves.

I also believe that they can be effective - after all, most a lot of our basic medicine is just a refined and purified version of what people've been doing for yonks. The fallacy comes in the thought that, because the active ingredient in asprin is found in willow bark, chewing willow bark is just as good (or - magically - better).

But the effectiveness of homeopathy... oy, veh.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:33, Reply)

I agree
I am aware of several herbal remedies that work great. I chew cloves for toothache for example. I just can't believe shes stupid enough to think Homeopathic medicine does anything.
( Peej, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:38, Reply)

You said "homeo"

(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:47, Reply)

I agree, ther may be a lot of good but when people tout hoeopathy as better than
"traditional" medicine they are idiots. If they are willing to work with “standard” doctors, why not? Most doctors I know went into the profession to help people and welcome any tools that will actually help. (They may demand scientific proof that the tools work instead of accepting blindly that all we need to do to become healthy is cure our cosmic aura.)

Another thing I hate is when some fruitcake comes up with the “silver bullet” he or she says will cure all cancer (peach pits, injecting camphor, etc) but refuses to go through testing saying that the medical profession just won't accept the true cure because it will destroy their profit margin etc. My father in law was suckered into going to a homeopath by his idiot brother when he had been feeling extremely tired for a long time. He asked the “doctor” if he had leukemia and was told flat out no and that he just needed to take a bunch of herbal bullshit and he would be fine. By the time he realized the quack was a complete idiot and went to a real doctor, it was too late the leukemia had advanced too far to do anything about.
(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:47, Reply)

That would make me very angry indeed
Sue that fucker.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:51, Reply)

Too late, It was years ago and those idiots neve have any money anyway.

(MichaelS wasn't picked again, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:56, Reply)

The irony, of course,
being that if real doctors are allowed to test these "miracle cures," then it will destroy the quack/homeopath's profit margin. They'd just be harmless nutters if they weren't exploiting people so cynically for their own gain.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:57, Reply)

It's just a placebo effect innit
and I don't mean the shit 90's band
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:35, Reply)

He was a tasty woman that Brian Molko.

(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:26, Reply)

My uncle fancied him for about a fortnight until he found out he was a fella.
Then denied all knowledge.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:33, Reply)

Your uncle's
a big gayer. trufax!
( djtrialprice, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:44, Reply)

he is the gayest heterosexual ever.
I don't mean camp. I don't know what I mean.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:08, Reply)

He blows boys?
Is that what you are trying to say?
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:36, Reply)

Apart from that

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:42, Reply)

I don't know what she means either
But I've had him outside the back of an Erasure concert. I told him I was going to let his wife know and he started frantically gesturing while screaming, "Calm down, calm down."
( djtrialprice, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:43, Reply)

almost as attractive as that Taylor Hanson
pretty girl she was
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:36, Reply)

Have we had this conversation before?
It seems deja-vuey.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:49, Reply)

Yes

( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 14:09, Reply)

Good.
This is the part where I step in and say 'my friend Richard picked on Brian Molko at a party once, and made him cry'.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 16:21, Reply)

men scientists
be right apply the scientific method to highlight charlatans

The exact same scientific method that has been used by mathematicians, electronic engineers, physicists and computer scientists to produce the magical piece of plastic and metal that you're using right now to read all this. Either accept your lack of knowledge in certain areas and defer to scientists* or take your hippy crap and go hunt for rabbits in the woods.

You can't pick and choose what you want to believe just to ease your blatant cognitive dissonance!

*whose ranks, you are welcome to join if you devote the ~10 years required to get there
( djtrialprice, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:37, Reply)

"You can't pick and choose what you believe just to ease your blatant cognitive dissonance"
PHRASE OF THE WEEK. I like it, sir.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:42, Reply)

> she's too stupid to argue with
Recognising that problem with people makes life so much easier. Vast tracts of time can be reclaimed simply by responding with, "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person".
( djtrialprice, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:41, Reply)

Ooh, and he does it again
Brilliant, sir. Clicking this as well.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:43, Reply)

Thanks
I'm available for children's parties. Giggity.
( djtrialprice, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:45, Reply)

Where to start?
Right, Herbal remedies are not necessarily homeopathic. Some herbal drugs work, by taking a shed load of them, to cure an ailment.

Next, it often helps to believe in the eficacy of a drug, of no matter what type. This is proven by research, patients given placebos show an improvement (it won't cure your cancer though).

Next, stupid people often lead useful lives so twatting then round the head with a plank will only make you feel better (or me if they live locally) and their lives should not be shortened just to stop the inane drivel that oozes from the cake hole.

There is so much more to say, but I'm supposed to keep my blood pressure down, so I'll try and shut up..
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:47, Reply)

What's really worrying
is that placebos have got more effective over the last 20 years or so.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:53, Reply)

Oh fuck, we're all doomed now
I guess that is caused by the decline in scientifically educated people.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:00, Reply)

"I'm not going to argue with you any more"
"I'm just going to point at you and laugh every time you speak."
"But that-"
"AHAHAHAHAHAHA"
"Don't-"
"AHAHAHAHAHAHA"
"STO-"
"AHAHAHAHAHAHA"
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:48, Reply)

I once saw a medical herbalist
and he gave me some god-awful potion to take all full of natural crap. I had to dilute that but it wasn't a homoeopathic remedy, it needed dilution because it was fucking horrible.

Did the trick though - the GP said I had possible gall stones brought on by liver damage (through previous meds I'd been on) - he said I'd have to avoid various foods for the foreseeable future or have my gall bladder removed - I was about 25 at the time. The herbalist gave me some vile concoction which helped heal my liver and I was fine.

However....as we all know from watching House and Grey's Anatomy, the liver naturally regenerates itself so I'd have probably been fine anyway, eventually.

Doctors, herbalists, homoeopaths, all of them BASTARDS!
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 11:59, Reply)

Yeah, to the burning pits everybody
Let's burn the bastards.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:01, Reply)

*Grabs pitchfork*
*shakes fist*
*fists sheik*

Any excuse to use that phrase
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:04, Reply)

News just in,
A large band of shouty hippies burned down a medical centre this lunchtime. "We want proper medecine, " they chanted. "Stuff you can't argue about."

There were no arrests, as the police could not be arsed.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:09, Reply)

so
do you still have your gall bladder?
(Purpledoris I've got afeckin' job, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:32, Reply)

I do
unless I was abducted by aliens and they removed it without my knowledge.

This is always a possibility in rural areas you know.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:38, Reply)

iens t y
(wellgroomedwookiee is a filthy-minded hobgoblin, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 12:46, Reply)

Oooooh, clever
That took me a while, but I'm feeling slow today
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:00, Reply)

OMG!!!!
It's true!

I was once abducted by Al - I have only the haziest recollection of it...seemed to involve goats - it was *that* long ago.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 14:43, Reply)

I've just had macaroni cheese for dinner and I feel much happier.
Does this mean macaroni cheese can now be classed as homeopathic medicine?
( girlinthehole, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:07, Reply)

Nope. Unless you only had one macaroni and a tiny bit of cheese, in a pint of boiling water.
You could probably get away with touting it as an alternative anti-depressant though. I recommend making up some bullshit about the positive powers of Macaronium©, an all-natural compound found only in macaroni, and its positive synergy with the Power of Cheese©.
(wellgroomedwookiee is a filthy-minded hobgoblin, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:15, Reply)

I think it means I just really like macaroni cheese.

( girlinthehole, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 13:18, Reply)