This does seem to be the problem with the "Pro Life" argument
i.e., the idea that people will just get abortions instead of buying condoms. Obviously I agree that it should be legal and freely available, as long as the doctors involved make the patient think very carefully about what they're doing, but I wouldn't expect that many people to get one frivolously.
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:30, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

I don't really see the distinction
it's either entirely your own choice or it isn't.
( WormuIus, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:33, Reply)

depends on advice and options given

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:34, Reply)

Well, it would be
Sorry, should probably clarify that the hypothetical doctor in this situation is providing enough advice that the hypothetical pregnant-type can make a more informed choice.
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:35, Reply)

I don't
think that abortions should just be free. That is to say you shouldn't be having 3 a year until you grow up, gratis.

People should be responsible for their rudy parts.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:43, Reply)

Agreed.
First, I imagine there are very few people who treat abortion so lightly. Second, if they have the choice then they have the choice. It shouldn't come with conditions.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:41, Reply)

^this
it can't work that way. Either everyone has the option for whatever reason or no one does
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:42, Reply)

Not necessarily
Can't there be some sort of good sense introduced into the equation.

It's the lowest common denominator or not at all catch 22, is it not?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:45, Reply)

who would administer it though?
Doctors aren't going to want to take on the burden of having to judge whether someone has the right reasons for wanting an abortion, and nor should they.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:47, Reply)

Perhaps
It just get's my back up. Is it unreasonable to suggest that a nineteen year old should not have had, say, two abortions by that time in their lives? I would say not.

As a payer of tax and user of birth control I want to know where the social contract of them being reasonable toward me is?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:54, Reply)

surely that is more of a problem with their upbringing or education though
your hypothetical girl perhaps shouldn't have got pregnant twice by the time she is 19, but that's no reason to force her to have the kids, or to carry them to term and give them up for adoption

side note: it appears I care and have an opinion on more stuff than I thought.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:59, Reply)

How is it being unreasonable towards you any more than any other user of the NHS?
What happens if they'd paid for it privately, would that be more acceptable?
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:59, Reply)

At the risk of sounding very "Guardian-reader"
If a nineteen year old has had two abortions, someone needs to teach her how to use contraceptives properly.
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:59, Reply)

At the very least she should be taking it exclusively up the Ronson until she works it out.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:09, Reply)

that is an attitude we can all get behind

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:10, Reply)

I volunteer *leers*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:09, Reply)

You said you didn't WANT FHSP?!

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:12, Reply)

You didn't tell us she'd had two abortions already!

(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:16, Reply)

SHHHHHHHH

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:25, Reply)

I agree with everything you all say
because it all makes sense.

I feel very Guardian reader as well, I think it's an age thing. In tough times wih so many things competing for funds from the public purse I find almost Daily Mail like thoughts forming.

It feels to me that money spent like this is being pissed away.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:10, Reply)

In terms of public money being spent
You either pay for their abortion, or pay for their council flat nine months later.
(LongJohnBaldry, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:12, Reply)

Or
Round 'em up.

Put 'em in a field.

And bomb the bastards!
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 16:14, Reply)

So, the fact that someone doesn't want to go through with a pregnancy isn't enough of a reason?

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:51, Reply)