Same as above
If it's genuinely consensual, and no third party is harmed, then the moral problem isn't obvious.

This isn't to endorse it, or say it's a good idea, or anything like that. It might be foolish for all kinds of reasons - it might well be better that it doesn't happen because both parties will regret it afterwards, for example. But people regretting having sex with someone, or regretting any other action that seemed like a good idea at the time, is hardly unusual.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:16, 2 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

Which is exactly the position with over 18 sibling incest.
It's better that it doesn't happen, as it is of course foolish 'for all kinds of reasons'. Replace 'foolish' with 'objectionable' or 'wrong' and that is the reaction to sibling incest.

You seem to have got there in the end.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:19, Reply)

No, because replacing "foolish" with "objectionable" or "wrong" is begging the question.
There's no justification for replacing the predicate "foolish" with the predicate "wrong" - they don't mean even similar things. Smoking is foolish; riding a motorbike without a helmet is foolish; attempting to clean your upstairs windows without ensuring your ladders are secure is foolish. None of them is objectionable or wrong.

Lots of people do lots of foolish things all the time. That's not a moral objection.

(Edited slightly for clarity.)
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:23, Reply)

Riding a bike without a helmet is objectionable due to the knock on effects on other peopple should teh rider crash.
It's irresponsible.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:26, Reply)

I think you might be nitpicking a bit here

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:27, Reply)

Right. So, when there's third-party harm, that does alter things.
But merely being foolish isn't harmful, and - besides - it's not clear what third-party harm there has been when A shags B. Even if there were some harm, you'd still need a separate argument to show that it's sufficiently great to warrant curbing A and B's liberty.

The point stands that "foolish" per se does not imply "wrong".
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:30, Reply)

I'm in very late here, but
the third party harm is that self-loathing over the whole thing is a good chunk of what's turned Bert into such a deranged wankstain and lead to his treating some of my friends in a frankly appalling manner.
(wellgroomedwookiee is a filthy-minded hobgoblin, Sun 12 Sep 2010, 12:12, Reply)

Suddenly everything you have said makes sense.
Bert only got lambasted for what he did because he's Bert.
You will probably not end up on Amorous Badger's page because you are Enzyme.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:22, Reply)

I have a feeling that this thread may well end up on AB's archive.
I've been very careful up until now not to say anything remotely interesting archivable... but I think that that duck may have been broken.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:24, Reply)

the trouble may be
that at a casual glance you are saying there's nothing wrong with it, which is different to their being anything morally wrong with the concept.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:27, Reply)

Well, I kind of am suggesting that.
I think that whatever has not been shown to be morally impermissible is therefore morally permissible.

I'm not sure that incest has been shown to be morally impermissible. Therefore, modus tollens, that's a reason to think that it is morally permissible.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:32, Reply)

I can see why they're shutting down philosophy departments left, right and centre.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:34, Reply)

Because they are full of people who can justify, albeit logically, fucking your sister?
Or because they are full of Enzyme?
(Bazongaloid, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:16, Reply)

Incest, in this society, is most definitely morally impermissible
AND IT'S ILLEGAL.
OMG won't anyone think of the children????
( Tourette's ( . )( . ) has a monkey hair in her fried egg, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:02, Reply)

My child is sucking on my tit right now!
OMG, etc. Filth.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:08, Reply)

Lucky bastard

(Bazongaloid, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:16, Reply)

Technically correct with both words, yes.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:17, Reply)

Is she in a sling, or are you typing one handed?

(Bazongaloid, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:17, Reply)

onehanded.
I'm in bed with her. That's how sick I am.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:21, Reply)

Down with this sort of thing!

( Tourette's ( . )( . ) has a monkey hair in her fried egg, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:24, Reply)

EEEEEEEEEEEEEW!
There's another thing - I couldn't breast feed Sweary Jr because of all the lolwaki pain meds I needed to take for my spastic spine. Which was a huge relief, as I found the concept yucky - that's just me though.
( Tourette's ( . )( . ) has a monkey hair in her fried egg, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:22, Reply)

I find it incredible that women breast feeding in public sometimes get abuse shouted at them
sure, it's not for everyone, but to actually shout at someone for feeding their child. If that ever happens to mrs al when I'm around there are gonna be some seriously punched faces.
(Bazongaloid, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:27, Reply)

Yes, but to be fair al...
You're in your 30s for fuck's sake. You should have grown out of this by now. No wonder people point and stare when you're out and about with your mum.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:43, Reply)

DON'T JUDGE ME!
Also thank you for the offer of a place to stay in january.
(Bazongaloid, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:47, Reply)

You're welcome.
You'd have to sleep in the shed, of course, just in case we get contaminated with southerness.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Sat 11 Sep 2010, 13:01, Reply)

You are a hero to all lactating women!

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 12:44, Reply)

b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post861959
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Sat 11 Sep 2010, 13:03, Reply)

AB's archive is not somewhere you want to be dude.
Anyways, I gotta go for a double S.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:27, Reply)

I'm in there
for telling a shit joke
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:28, Reply)

I was almost in there
'Amberl in 'almost in archive' shocker'
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:28, Reply)

pointless post is pointless

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:29, Reply)

exactly
TLDR: I said don't fuck the mentally ill
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:30, Reply)

Oh man I did a Psychochomp
I went searching.
You love incest, you've quoted studies in the past and everything.
Incest is a subject close to your heart, man!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 11:29, Reply)

You should totally become a sleuth.

( girlinthehole, Sat 11 Sep 2010, 18:52, Reply)