Tonight's Debate..... So, students, specificlly students for the 'life experiance', GUTTED.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:28, 3 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

wot?

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:30, Reply)

I assume he's on about this:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11525031
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:32, Reply)

oh ffs.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:32, Reply)

we already have students who could go to uni
but are put off (or their parents put them off) by the debt they'd get into
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:34, Reply)

Is £15k really that much for being able to demand £5k+ per year for the rest of your life?
I mean, under the current system.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:37, Reply)

when they are from poorer families
they don't envision ever being able to earn that much. They often don't realise the difference it could make :(
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:41, Reply)

Well, if you don't hit £20k, then you don't get charged a penny, and after 30 years it's wiped out.
If you're a graduate and you don't hit the 20s, the odds are without the degree you'll be on min wage.... at a guess without known facts. So racking it up into percentages that's quite a differance.

And the poorer families will all be taken care of in schemes according to the reports, so I reckon it's the middle of the road people and those who are going to drink'n'drug the whole thing that are the most fucked.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:45, Reply)

As you'll have about as much in the way of skills and work experience as a 16 year old school leaver, you certainly will be on the minimum wage.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:48, Reply)

I'd rather be an employed plumber than an unemployed scholar.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:51, Reply)

i just love learning stuff

( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:52, Reply)

Nothing wrong with that, I do too.
It's just that I reckon it should be more of a hobby unless you can turn it into a wage packet.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:53, Reply)

I should point out that I'm talking in general terms here, rather than anyone on here.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:54, Reply)

As do I.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:54, Reply)

During the last year and a half,
thanks to my job I've learnt more about physics, chemistry and mechanics than I ever did at school or college. This definitely proves something.

Probably that spending seven years copying out bits of the textbook, then selectively burping them back up in the exam without any real understanding isn't the best way to learn things.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 20:01, Reply)

Urgh, debt.
And I need to do well, too. Damn not doing an easy course.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:38, Reply)

Please don't tell me this is the first you've heard of this.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:38, Reply)

It doesn't affect me.
I'm already in the system, it won't change for me.

I've discussed it with friends, especially as several of us voted for LibDems, and they're obviously now backing increased fees rather than abolishing them.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:40, Reply)

the good side is that you now have to earn more
before you pay it back, but I think it'll still put off some students
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:42, Reply)

It depends whether you believe in a social-educational hierarchy
Though of course being privately educated, I'm already contributed to that.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:46, Reply)

Haha, you trolling troll you.
well done =)
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:42, Reply)

Big gutted.
However, perhaps it'll mean a far fewer 18-year olds will booze and pill-much their life away in the first three terms.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:31, Reply)

I guess they gotta be commited to completing the course and doing it well now, or something like that.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:32, Reply)

ah, that
well, it'll totally be better once only the rich kids go to uni as they are *always* the bright interesting ones

(I hope you realise the sarcasm there)
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:33, Reply)

I was broadly sweeping, but slightly serious.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:35, Reply)

Don't that kind usually let Mama and Papa pick up the tab anyway?

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:37, Reply)

degrees are overrated
Can I get a wooyay from the drop outs
WOOYAY
( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:45, Reply)

I am a graduate, and well poor
Need to just get my finger out and find something better.
( Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:47, Reply)

I don't like the presumtion that you're eaither a drop out, or you have a degree.... these days.
Tony Blair was wrong when he said he wants 50% of people to go uni, he was a cunt to put that ethos into place.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:48, Reply)

One of the many reasons he's a cunt

( Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:49, Reply)

i went to uni then dropped out
Thus making me a drop out
( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 20:01, Reply)

graduated 13 years ago
still not broken the 18K barrier :(
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:48, Reply)

9 years for me
And snap!
( Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:49, Reply)

I didn't graduate about 20 years ago and came out with a £500 debt.

( girlinthehole, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:54, Reply)

Paid off now presumably?
I've paid off approximately fuck all of my student loan. I started uni the year the loan was introduced. Bollocks!
( Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:56, Reply)

I still had to work even though I got a full grant.
Mind you I think I would have tried harder had I have had to pay it all back eventually.
( girlinthehole, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:59, Reply)

I wish I'd worked - I pissed all my cash up a wall sadly

( Boss Keloid Got your mother's maiden name tattooed on my arm, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 20:01, Reply)

I remember when Mars bars were 20p.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:58, Reply)

I remember when they were 8p.
Bus fare into town was fourpence.
( girlinthehole, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 20:00, Reply)

you ooooollllllllld

( TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 20:03, Reply)

What did you graduate in?

( Maximinimus you stick around I'll make it worth your while, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:52, Reply)

ummmm this is when you are no longer surprised
...photography

(I have a post grad in it too. I'm a lecturer now, there was no other choice :)
( Citizen Cavy Admires your passion for conformity, Tue 12 Oct 2010, 19:53, Reply)