I don't understand how someone can grow up to be a [whatever marylin manson] is.
Won't they get terribly embarrassed when their mates and family find out?

I'm including all "Cyber Goths" or whatever they call them selves. Not nesserarly the sucessfull ones like marylin manson himself, but more like that spotty kid who works in ASDA.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:06, archived)

Most of them only do it when they're teenagers.
And teenagers have a remarkable ability to have absolutely no idea about anything at all.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:08, archived)

But if you go down to somewhere like Candom, there are THAAASSANDS OV EM.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:10, archived)

Camden Town is one of the few places where no-one looks at me funny.

( Bob Todd whee, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:12, archived)

Nobody looks at anybody else in Camden.
Not unless they need to.
( Zuowan, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:14, archived)

Maybe that's because you dress like a massive twat.

( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:15, archived)

hahaha

(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:19, archived)

Yes
people have been dressing in the style known as goth/gothic since the early 80s. I personally think it's GORGEOUS.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:14, archived)

Yes, men look like women and women look a mess.
Goth is SO rubbish.
( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:16, archived)

nooo
lady goths are often hawt.
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:18, archived)

But mostly just fat messes.

( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:18, archived)

you can be a fat mess in any clothing style
:P
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:26, archived)

Yes yes, I understand all of that.
But lets be honest here:

Most goth girls are fat and a mess. You can't beat facts, can you?
( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)

From the overwhelming evidence I've seen:
yes.

Most of the skinny ones are more emo-ey.
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:34, archived)

You ditched him, that's enough upset for now, don't start bullying Damion over his weight as well now.

( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)

pfft
meanie :)
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:34, archived)

Aw.

( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:19, archived)

My brother was a goth, back in the 80s.
He looked like shit and I told him.

He was far too effete to put up any resistance, though.
( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:20, archived)

Luckily for me I give not a toss about what you think of the way I dress.
I'm much more interested in your food tips.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:21, archived)

Are you a fat mess?
Come on, be honest. No one will be upset.

Except you.
( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:22, archived)

Slightly.
I'm not upset, I'm losing weight as we speak, and have been for some time. Then I'll just be a mess.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:24, archived)

Congratulations on your degirthing.

( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:24, archived)

Thank you very much.

( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:25, archived)

now the thing with him is
he actually talks a lot of sense about censorship of music and the alleged connection between music and gun crime

he just looks like a great big poof

and his music is shit
( Gilgamesh gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:08, archived)

Well there's no proven causal link between pseudo-homo-shit-musicianry and being wrong about politics.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:11, archived)

when i was young, i guess you could say i was a proto-emo (before there was such a thing).
There's a wonderful picture of my standing in the wood work room using the lathe, long hair dangling right into the machinery, eye liner, red/black stripey socks on my arms, dog collar... the lot.

I'm not embarrassed. At the time, no one really said anything. it took me 2 years before I realised some people thought I was gay (I had a girlfriend at the time). It's just part of my past, best to get it all out before you get into adulthood.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:08, archived)

Teenage goth then.
I still dress quite gothic a lot of the time, because it suits me, I think I look good and the more people say 'aren't you too old to be dressed like that?' the more I'll do it as these people obviously place FAR too much stock in what others think and if you do that you're a fucking faliure.

I wear loads of crazy shit, actually, but I love it all.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:09, archived)

if i was a goth, i was a happy goth.

(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:10, archived)

Yes, you can be.
The ones that mope are just depressed because they're teenagers.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:11, archived)

I think I've only meet one unhappy goth, compaired to loads that are happy.
I still think the look is... well, it's not for me, anyway.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:23, archived)

It's for massively confused teenage boys and massive girls.

( Bud Muhnquai Update your profile or fuck off, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:25, archived)

well, you seem like the kind of person whose look is
'underpants and not leaving the house'
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:31, archived)

Don't forget the dressing gown.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:36, archived)

it's a good look and one I adopt to this day.

(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:38, archived)

According to your profile you hate all forms of religion
that's a silly opinion don't you think?
(PsychoChomp, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:11, archived)

I don't think so, I think you should have faith in yourself, not in an invisible friend.

(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:13, archived)

And the two are mutually exclusive, all of a sudden?
This is great, going adfter someone who is silly about atheism makes a refreshing change from going after religious fools.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:17, archived)

if anything it's the brainwashing and suppression aspects of religions that I have a massive problem with
I've lost a lot of friends to 'Faith'. Good, cool people who suddenly get in with the wrong crowd and turn into dull bible zombies.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:21, archived)

So it's not "all forms of religion" that you have a problem with, is it?
It should read "some forms of religion" and then, all of a sudden, you aren't a bigot any more.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:22, archived)

That doesn't happen to all people with faith though.
Some of us manage to be right cunts with social lives and slight dependencies on soft drugs and porn.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:23, archived)

sorry, I just see anyone who has an invisible friend above the age of 8
as mentally ill.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:25, archived)

Sorry, I just see someone who gives a shit about what I believe when it affects them in exactly 0 ways
as someone who has far too much time on their hands and not enough intelligence to fill it.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:26, archived)

well you brought it into the argument!
I don't care. Live your life. Talk to your delusions at night.

No need to get so uppity when someone badmouths a bedtime story.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:28, archived)

'sorry, I just see anyone who has an invisible friend above the age of 8'
If you can't take it, don't dish it. If you don't care, then having to make the point in your profile... well, that hardly adds up.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:30, archived)

Go away and read some proper philosophy.

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:34, archived)

An inability to see the world from the perspective of others' is a form of mental illness.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:27, archived)

Autism?

( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:28, archived)

It's actually a mild psychosis.
*snorts, pushes glasses up nose*
Though I'm going to guess that in this case the poster, who has otherwise been excellent, is merely pretentious and young.
And if you tell anyone I've been sticking up for god-botherers I'll burn your church down, you bible eating freak.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:30, archived)

*spits out half chewed page from Corinthians*
I promise.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:32, archived)

I can see the point of a child rapist.
The tight anus of a small boy may be a nice feeling. But I don't think it's right in any way.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:30, archived)

And here we have the old logical fallacy known as the argument by inappropriate analogy.
Wrong when priests use it, wrong when you use it.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:32, archived)

You still can't see the point of religious people, though.

( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:35, archived)

that old rhetorical chestnut.
I can picture you snorting loudly down your nostrils as I write this.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)

Here's the point you should make;
"I hate religion but not religious people."
( Zuowan, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:34, archived)

Or "I disagree with religion."
That'd be far better.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:40, archived)

I prefer my version.

( Zuowan, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:41, archived)

It's just that "religion" referes to an incredibly wide range of beliefs, practices and organisiation.
To claim hatred of that entire panoply implies several sweeping conclusions.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:44, archived)

I hate religion, peppers, halva, Basingstoke and Chris Moyles.
None of these are people so these are opinions I am free to have.
( Zuowan, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:48, archived)

** Sigh ** You were doing so well !
There are a lot of people who belive in some sort of higher-power, after life, and magical sky wizard... who are fine decent normal people, who enjoy a good wank as much as anyone else.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:27, archived)

THIS.
I agree a million percent.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:29, archived)

^ this is my point.

( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:32, archived)

i'm not saying they're bad people
just that religion is a form of suppression that we could probably get rid of now we're a bit grown up as a race.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:32, archived)

And forbidding people to believe what they want is....?

( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:34, archived)

No it isn't.
Not necessarily, anyway.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:37, archived)

Sounds fair enough.

( Zuowan, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:18, archived)

this

(negative armadillo There never was much hope..just a fool's hope., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:23, archived)

Haha
There was a picture on my facebook when I was about fourteen/fifteen, with flares with pink piping, bleached blonde hair, and a longsleeve teeshirt with a pink fish on it.

No wonder I turned out like I did really.
( moohalaa, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:11, archived)

i have the gayest picture of me wearing girls purple flares.
I think I got away with it to be honest. I still have them but it's like squeezing into... well, todays fashionable trousers!
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:13, archived)

They have no reason to get
embarrassed. Its just a 'look'.

No different from wearing jeans and a t-shirt.

Hell, people even wear tracksuits in public!
(thediscokingpin, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:10, archived)

it's all part of teenage exploration of self.
7 years later, i still see bits of it bleed into my personality and even work.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:15, archived)

Why shrug it off
if you enjoy it?

There is a little Norwegian black cartoon called Nemi. I can't find it online, so i've typed it out for you here:

Cyan: "Have you seen what my little sister looks like these days? I'm totally embarrassed now she's got piercings too! It's probably just a phase she's going through. Most people stop wearing extreme clothing by the time they're thirty"

Nemi: "I don't think its necessarily about phases at all. I think it because people like you make it so hard for others to be different that after a few years they cant bear being themselves anymore"

I think that sums it up.
(thediscokingpin, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:22, archived)

no, i just grew up and realised i looked like a dick with socks on his arms

(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:26, archived)

haha
this too.
I think that there's probably a bit of both to it. When it comes down to it, Goths are still following a fashion trend, however alternative it is. It's not about being different so much as it's about fitting in with a different group of people.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:50, archived)

Gonz love
most people's friends and family see them clothed, so would probably already be aware.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:12, archived)

I do love the cyber goth look.
I'd have given my right arm for a full set of dreadfalls a few years ago, too.
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:17, archived)

Yo mean like dreadlocks?
I'm sorry, and this is just my personal opinon, by dreadlocks/corn-rolls(?) look horrendous on white people.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:21, archived)

absolutely.
on girls they look maybe ok, if they're done well.

but men look total idiot-fails.
(WhiskyForAll! b3ta isn't the place to bully people., Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:23, archived)

corn-rows
and they are different. You were right with dreadlocks.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:25, archived)

they can do, you're right
dreadfalls are the material-based, colourful kind.
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:28, archived)

I had some wicked green ones, back when my hair was black
and some extra long normal hair falls. HEAVY AS FUCK, the long ones were.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:31, archived)

aw jealous.
I wanted the more hippy-like multicoloured ones. All scraggy and messy, lovely!
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:37, archived)

I do dread extensions
it's quite hard to make those messy....I like doing them all neat.
( Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:40, archived)

Hmm, clicking on 'next' quite a few times there, doesn't lead me to something that I think looks good.
Although I've seen those things suit some people at Candy.

I don't think they would suit you though, sorry.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:35, archived)

I prefer my short hair now
much less effort, too.
( spangolin - the odds are good but the goods are odd, Tue 26 Aug 2008, 17:39, archived)