
I still drop by for a quick lurk a few times a week, though. Nice to see that you guys still haven't changed a bit.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:28,
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Lovely to see (you and) your stuff again!
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:33,
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however - what is the tank between the two sets of wheels? It seems vulnerable to explosion.... unless it's the septic tank for waste.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:29,
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There is a large propane/zombie biofuel tank at the rear of the front cab. The whole thing runs on propane/biofuel. Turns out petrol has a shelf life - it starts to deteriorate after about 6 months in a sealed container, eventually becoming completely unusable (even damaging to an engine) after more than 12 months. Not a great choice for a long-term zombie apocolypse situation. Propane lasts a fair bit longer, and if zombies can be refined into biofuel, they'll provide a steady fuel source until the need for emergency fuels is gone.
As for explosions, I have read that a metal container filled with volatile liquid is extremely difficult to blow up with gunfire (thanks for the years of misinformation, videogames). You'll need to actually drop fire into the open tank to set it off - pretty low risk.
I like anti-zombie stuff as well, if you hadn't already guessed :D
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:38,
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As for explosions, I have read that a metal container filled with volatile liquid is extremely difficult to blow up with gunfire (thanks for the years of misinformation, videogames). You'll need to actually drop fire into the open tank to set it off - pretty low risk.
I like anti-zombie stuff as well, if you hadn't already guessed :D

However, I wasn't really thinking of gun fire - zombies rarely have guns. I was more thinking of accidents. Say you are rumbling over a big pile of zombies but you don't know there is also debris under it. What if something sharp or immovable pierced the tank - then you'd have no fuel and would be stuck.
Edit: I would also enclose the top gun turret - like a WWII bomber plane/ star wars but on the top instead of the bottom.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:41,
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Edit: I would also enclose the top gun turret - like a WWII bomber plane/ star wars but on the top instead of the bottom.

The fuel tank is right on the back of the cab, away from the ground, but the possibility of the water tanks getting pierced is still understandably significant. I put them down low so that they could be easily filled/drained in a hurry, but it does seem to make more sense to put them inside or on the roof.
And you're definitely right about the turrets needing to be enclosed. Pesky zombies clogging the mechanism could be more than a little inconvenient. I'll bear that in mind for when I start working on the Mk 3.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:50,
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And you're definitely right about the turrets needing to be enclosed. Pesky zombies clogging the mechanism could be more than a little inconvenient. I'll bear that in mind for when I start working on the Mk 3.

sciencefocus.com/qa/do-petroleum-products-petrol-and-diesel-have-shelf-life
I did a fair bit of googling about this when I first heard it. Most sources (the one above being one of the more reliable) seem to agree that petrol goes stale within anything between 2 and 12 months. I feel more comfortable believing that than a single wikipedia edit with no cited source.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 15:34,
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I did a fair bit of googling about this when I first heard it. Most sources (the one above being one of the more reliable) seem to agree that petrol goes stale within anything between 2 and 12 months. I feel more comfortable believing that than a single wikipedia edit with no cited source.

Well, I agree that Wikipedia is an unreliable source - but "the website of BBC Focus Magazine" publishing a non-scientific paragraph* with no attibution or evidential backup isn't much better. At least with Wiki there's a *chance* it was written by someone who knows or cares ;)
If you keep it in a decent container that's not exposed to the air (ie so it can't evaporate or perform any sort of hygroscopic action) then it'll be fine for some considerable time. Straight chain alkanes are pretty stable molecules (think of how long they've been hanging about in the ground for), so if there's any "gunk" forming in there then you might like to ask the refinery when they added that's causing the problem!
*"more oily" ffs, that's not an explanation.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 18:02,
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If you keep it in a decent container that's not exposed to the air (ie so it can't evaporate or perform any sort of hygroscopic action) then it'll be fine for some considerable time. Straight chain alkanes are pretty stable molecules (think of how long they've been hanging about in the ground for), so if there's any "gunk" forming in there then you might like to ask the refinery when they added that's causing the problem!
*"more oily" ffs, that's not an explanation.

Please tell me where you found this design. It is magnificent.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 15:06,
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...I personally would go for more of a combine harvester approach with added flamethrowers for cleansing.
Kind of like a council street sweeper but larger and with chopping blades instead of sweeps.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:29,
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Kind of like a council street sweeper but larger and with chopping blades instead of sweeps.

A combine harvester can cut through corn pretty easily, but chunks of zombie flesh, bone, clothing and anything else they might have on them would clog it up within minutes. Repairs would be expensive and difficult.
I've heard it suggested that a minesweeping flail like this (skip to 0:45) would be ideal. I'm inclined to agree.
Flamethrowers use an enormous amount of fuel for the damage they do - for a fire to eat all the way through to a zombie's brain it would need to use a very thick, sticky fuel like napalm, and there would need to be a lot of it - and that's not to mention the fact that you'll need to fight off flaming zombies while you wait for the fire to burn through.
However, I'm pretty sure that if they ever make a new Carmageddon game, they will definitely be willing to consider you for a design job :D
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:46,
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I've heard it suggested that a minesweeping flail like this (skip to 0:45) would be ideal. I'm inclined to agree.
Flamethrowers use an enormous amount of fuel for the damage they do - for a fire to eat all the way through to a zombie's brain it would need to use a very thick, sticky fuel like napalm, and there would need to be a lot of it - and that's not to mention the fact that you'll need to fight off flaming zombies while you wait for the fire to burn through.
However, I'm pretty sure that if they ever make a new Carmageddon game, they will definitely be willing to consider you for a design job :D

www.carmageddon.com/validateage?destination=home
Indeed. My bloodlust generally takes precedent over the practical side of my brain when dealing with theoretical zombie situations. I think my time in a zombie apocalypse would be short but very spectacular...
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:59,
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Indeed. My bloodlust generally takes precedent over the practical side of my brain when dealing with theoretical zombie situations. I think my time in a zombie apocalypse would be short but very spectacular...

I think I'd want to side with you in a zombie apocalypse. Given the choice between the survivors who want to sit silently in windowless rooms for 23 hours a day, and the people riding quadbikes and spinning chainsaws over their heads like lassoos, I think the decision is pretty obvious.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 15:05,
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I'm not sure I'd be happy in that
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:36,
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hullo btw! I've still got your hair gel etc. :D
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:38,
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no worries I'll grab it from you when we see each other next
hope you're well and all that :)
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:43,
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hope you're well and all that :)

Hope your hols was wonderful - though ages ago now.
I'm tiling my bathroom atm snore.
see you soon!
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:44,
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I'm tiling my bathroom atm snore.
see you soon!

though the fact that IT completely fucked things up for my replacement has meant that I've had to work twice as hard since getting back...aside from b3ta time, obviously :)
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:49,
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*nostalges*
Last time I went was mid 90s. I was lucky - went three times and it never rained.
Do you have rising damp now?
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:55,
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Last time I went was mid 90s. I was lucky - went three times and it never rained.
Do you have rising damp now?

The zombies would attack it thinking it's a real door, because they like doors, and get electrocuted.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:41,
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I'd have to do more research
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:43,
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ww2.zombieinitiative.org/node/269 have some ideas.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:46,
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Apparently it still causes muscle spasms (good for throwing them off a vehicle) but the only real way to kill a zombie with it is to electrify a trench full of water and throw them in.
That book makes for some great bedtime reading.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:56,
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That book makes for some great bedtime reading.

hope brad of pitt doesn't ruin it.
(I really must get back to tiling....)
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:57,
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(I really must get back to tiling....)

Just the other day some website was saying that it's being designed to be cinematographically similar to Children of Men.
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 15:08,
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but it also needs to be in a position where survivors can get in/out quickly. Roof hatches or airlock systems are more secure, but the door really does need to be easily accessible - there's not many ways round that (that I can think of)
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Wed 29 Jun 2011, 14:53,
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I don't much like the idea of slowly parachuting down into a horde of waiting zombies. Maybe the seat could be fitted with an engine and rudder, like a microlight. Or maybe that's a little more Thunderbirds than Mad Max.
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