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# i would have done in his position.
we're supposed to sit back and let people burgle us now or something?
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:05, archived)
# agreed
at my age, I would have gone after the cunts with a hammer, at his age, I would have lifted a gun - wee fuckers

soon it`ll be law to put a sign outside the house "take what you want, because I can`t legally stop you"
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:06, archived)
# throw the fucking hammer then at his feet, so he falls over
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:07, archived)
# no chance
the wee fucker would be lucky if he ever ate without the use of a straw, never mind walked again
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:09, archived)
# next place he steals from better have a fucking ramp!
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:10, archived)
# HEHEHEHHHEHE
!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:11, archived)
# I know.
speaking on the part of someone whos car was stolen literally twice a week for about three months, till they closed down the young offenders home at the top of my road, the little shits know exactly what theyre doing, and they should accept the fucking consequences.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:08, archived)
# mother fucking
ejector seats!
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:09, archived)
# oh
that would be such a good car protection alarm system!!!!! oh i so want one!
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:12, archived)
# with a camera attached so you can see their faces just as it goes off.
oh and make it so the roof doesnt come off too.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:15, archived)
# ewww
messy!
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:16, archived)
# you never
know, some fucker could be off with your car tomorrow - still - live and let live, eh?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:16, archived)
# but
i want one of them ejector seat fings... but i think i will let the roof off or there will be a nasty mess!
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:22, archived)
# definition of a conservative:
liberal who's just been mugged.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:10, archived)
# Definition of a fool:
Someone who's just been mugged and blames themself.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:18, archived)
# been there
"Oh my car TAPE player was stolen because I left it in the car"

- I mean.. !!!!!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:26, archived)
# have you lot
been reading the daily hate mail recently?
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:08, archived)
# no not at all
but I think people should be allowed to live their lives
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:09, archived)
# which is difficult
if you shoot them
(I helped save b3ta! coco, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:11, archived)
# yeah
but... I`m not talking about going on rampages!

cause and effect?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:11, archived)
# by taking somebody elses?
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:11, archived)
# just my opinion
I don`t want to live my life worrying about buying a bloody kettle because some cunt "fancies it" and decides he`ll have it
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:13, archived)
# get better locks for your front door
instead.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:15, archived)
# well
I hope you`re this chirpy if/when it happens to you - and I hope it doesn`t
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:17, archived)
# i'll just pretend to be asleep,
or hide.
but not shoot them.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# I`ll call
`round yours after I`ve been to Martian`s gaff then - cool! could make a mint tonight
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:27, archived)
# well, it's hard to do that
when you've just been shot.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:11, archived)
# well
Nanaman, giz your address, I`ll be up in a couple of hours in a white Ford Transit - can you make sure the door is left on the latch, ta? wouldn`t want to wake you
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:13, archived)
# oh fuck right off.
he hid in a shed waiting for it to be broken in to, and then shot a child in the back. not in struggle, not as the kid approached him, but in the fucking back.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:06, archived)
# he might have had death ray eyes!
I would have shot the fucker just in case as well...
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:08, archived)
# OR he might have been running to get his gun!
...I'm sorry, but if you cant handle one round from a shotgun then you deserve to die. I play Counter Strike...I know lots of stuff about guns and shit...there was probably a health pack kicking around somwhere
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# you know
he could probably have gotten away scott free if he`d put a notice outside his house saying

"trespassers may be shot"
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:28, archived)
# except tresspass isn't an offence;
it's a misdemenour. you can be asked to leave, but that's it. unless you go through a big door or over a six foot fence.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:31, archived)
# how about...
"I HAVE A GUN! - PLEASE DO NOT STAND IN THE WAY - IT MAY GO OFF!"
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:35, archived)
# doesnt make any fucking difference where he shot him.
and he hardly fucking hid now did he? they broke into his home.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:09, archived)
# brilliant!
property more important than life!
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:10, archived)
# thats not the point.
He shot him cos he believed his own life was in danger, not because he believed his house was in danger. Fair enough, he shot him in the back like you say, but do you really think that had he gone down unarmed, those two pikeys twats would have let him get away unhurt? would they fuck. theyd have kicked his fucking head in, just like the countless other fucking times you see in the paper. He had every right to defend himself by any means.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:13, archived)
# if he was scared for his life, and he was hiding,
he'd have stayed hidden until they came at him to kick his head in.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:15, archived)
# depends how you react to a situation like that.
I know that if i was being broken into, as scared shitless as id be, id still grab the nearest golf club and go down and make an attempt to get them out of my house. Bearing in mind the police are completely ineffectual.


Britain, the only country where you can get a pizza quicker than a police car.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:17, archived)
# you've
got golf clubs? you're a bit posh aren't you?
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# actually i have a golf club.
just the one. a pitching wedge. I fucking hate golf...
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:21, archived)
# then
why do you have it?
(I helped save b3ta! rogue Big knickers, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:24, archived)
# "with intent to cause harm"
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:28, archived)
# exactly.
except you missed off "to the people that break into my house".
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:32, archived)
# well, I
ain`t cheapening this point

- I totally agree!

me and Pointy are the new Charles Bronsonsssss
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# " He had every right to defend himself by any means."
utter, utter shit.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:16, archived)
# you
leaving your door on the latch too then?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:17, archived)
# you're talking like i haven't had people break into my house
and threaten my with a meat cleaver.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# and you still want these fuckers to live?
still, to each his own eh?
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# yes.
because i'm civilised and don't believe in killing people.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:22, archived)
# well
what would you like to do then? honestly?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# have them caught and sentenced to a prison term/fine/rehabilitation
just because the law is shit doesn't mean we should resort to vigilanteeism.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:34, archived)
# fair enough
if you want your home, and property violated, that`s fine - can we have a system whereby people who don`t mind have green sticker on their door, and people who would do something about the fuckers have a blue sticker? that`d suit me fine
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:42, archived)
# why? because my opinion differs from your own?
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:18, archived)
# because he had a right to use
reasonable force; murder isn't very reasonable.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:21, archived)
# what
about shooting him in the arse, so he`d remember it as long as he lived?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:30, archived)
# "any means"
could he destroy belgium to protect his property?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:23, archived)
# oh for fucks sake, thats not what i meant and you know it.
you're just being argumentative now. any means within the constrains of that situation. If that involves taking a life to avoid the loss of his own, then so be it.
(I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:25, archived)
# how was the kid going to kill him, exactly?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:28, archived)
# people have been beaten to death by attackers
using only their bare hands before now, so dont try to be so /pedantic.
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:39, archived)
# and who decides
who's life is worth more? can you?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# i think
the person who's defending themselves has more right to live. Providing the person was actually trying to kill them.
(I helped save b3ta! Lora, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:32, archived)
# no no no NO NO NO NO NO
every single person has the inalible right to life. you can't have more of a right to live than someone else.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:36, archived)
# everyone
has the right to life. But if a person tries to take someone else's life, then that person is quite justified to stop their attacker, if necessary by taking their life. In my opinion.
(I helped save b3ta! Lora, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:38, archived)
# ah!
but everybody has the right to life and the right to live! that`s the whole point - I`m never going to lock myself inside my house, with bars on the doors in case some wee cunt decides he likes the look of my telly
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:44, archived)
# Because.....?
Has a life that will do nothing but deliberately degrade the quality most other lives that they come into contact with got any value?

Surely you throw the rotten apple out of the barrel of life in order to preserve others?

Or does that rotten apple have the right to destroy or otherwise lessen the quality of every apple that it comes into contact with? If it's very existence is a cancer on society, get rid of it.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:48, archived)
# Well
I don't think anyone would think that a bad thing, really.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:26, archived)
# when you come up to edinburgh...
we can send you out to Sighthill, one of the cities more glamourous areas, for an evening. We'll see how long your commie pinkass liberal opinons last out there...;)
/joke
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:22, archived)
# is it worse than moss side, brixton or toxteth?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:25, archived)
# oh yes...
there is no dope there to mellow the vibe...

just Buckfast Tonic Wine...
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:27, archived)
# tonic wine?
gravy more like!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:30, archived)
# GRAVY OF HATE!!
www.bawbag.com/buckfast.php
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:33, archived)
# I`m so
glad I didn`t start drinking as a teenager in Belfast - Buckfast is the stuff of legends
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:45, archived)
# I stand with you on this and I can't be arsed to argue
going to bed cos of long hard days work. Remember that, we work for a living, hard work and if any cunt decides he's gonna steal from me then I'll shoot the fucker too !

This Country is already fucked up by do-gooders and people who support the perpitrators rather than victims. Backward assed bullshit. Discipline discipline discipline.

End of chat.
(I helped save b3ta! koit WWW.HIGHASAKOIT.CO.UK, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:18, archived)
# I would
marry you if you weren`t so male


do another song - soon! (please)
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# "do-gooders"
as opposed to "do-badders" who you're generally in favour with?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# The do-badders
hopefully all get shot in the back when fleeing from the scene of the crime, so they don't count.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:27, archived)
# wait a minute
just because he told the court he shot him because he believed his life was in danger, doesn't necessarily make it fucking so.

he was trying to stay out of jail at the time.

anyway, the minute he went and illegally bought a pump action shotgun he became a bigger threat to human life than any housebreaker ... maybe I should have gone round and stoved his head in with a shovel in case he shot me?
(I helped save b3ta! coco, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:21, archived)
# But there's a difference
he was a threat to the life of lowlife criminal scum.

The little turd that got popped was a threat to every single innjocent person that he decidde to victimise on that particular night.

I know who I'd rather be alive now.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:24, archived)
# why don't you just tell us who the "lowlife criminal scum" are
and then we can kill them all now, and we'll only have nice people left.
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:29, archived)
# I don`t think we`re
talking about killing - we`re talking about doing something - as the justice system is a farce
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:46, archived)
# tony martin should counter sue that pikey twunt
because by breaking into his house, he breached his human rights of privacy
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:14, archived)
# My property
is far far more important that any scumbag criminal's life, yes.

Hell, something I step in is worth more than the lives of those victimising, evil little turds.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:14, archived)
# I love you
well not really, but you get the point that I stand with you side by side. Well not really side by side cos you're probably taller than me or summat.

Hell, I'm tired.
(I helped save b3ta! koit WWW.HIGHASAKOIT.CO.UK, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# its obvious that you work for the bbc...

getting facts wrong must be part of the contract...
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:10, archived)
# ack come on!
you can`t say things like that!


.... it`s because he`s ginger!

;-)
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:19, archived)
# i have nothing against gingers
just the bbc, thy're biased twunts who often "misinterpret" the facts, or change them to suit "auntie's" needs.
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:20, archived)
# like you know what the fuck you're talking about.
which facts have i got wrong so far?
(martian, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:30, archived)
# well you`ve gotta remember
(and I`m not saying you`re wrong!) that it`s all solicitors and shit - only the people involved in the incident really know what happened
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:32, archived)
# he did not hide in his shed waiting for it to be broken into
just so he could shoot the theiving bastard.

if he had, the murder charge would have remained, as it would have been a pre-meditated attack, and therefore constituted murder, not manslaughter
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the OTHER greebo warrior, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:33, archived)
# well you could
be right - I might have read the wrong newspaper, but I still believe people are entitled to live their own lives, and I don`t go with the "gentleman / wild west" ethos
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:11, archived)
# there's
other ways of dealing with it than shooting the fucker.
(I helped save b3ta! Odradek the Indecisive, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:07, archived)
# cleaving his skull...
with a scythe?
(I helped save b3ta! Bitchpapa, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:08, archived)
# Like making them into dogmeat?
The first and only time they'd ever contribute to society in a positive way.
(RayRayRay HooHooHoo, Mon 4 Aug 2003, 0:13, archived)