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And here's my shitty take on it

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Popidge Last ate a kebab on, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 0:59, archived)

hahaha!

this is funnier than the original challenge...

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PMGT -Bacon., Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:00, archived)

haha

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Sunshine Elephant, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:01, archived)

ha ha!

excellent!

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finnbar has officially retired, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:07, archived)

I like!

Seriously, after what Prince and his trigger happy lawyers have done I'm going to use my influence to make sure that everyone near me knows what a complete twunt Prince is and stop buying anything he is involved with.
I hope this'll make some small difference to the world and I suggest we all do the same, together we can influence quite a large proportion of the public.
I think that a simple question of the week challenge doesn't warrant heavy handed treatment like this and quite frankly disgusts me.

(Evilweevil is covered in bees, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:08, archived)

I agree,

however I think he's shit, and so do all my friends, so it won't make too much of an impact.

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PMGT -Bacon., Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:10, archived)

Oh christ, that was libel.

What have I done?

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PMGT -Bacon., Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:10, archived)

Express sentiments

that most of us feel.
I'm also going to continue not buying his records, but anyone I know will know about Prince's campaign against free speech.
I also think that perhaps he cracks down like this in order to generate publicity about himself. (after all, all publicity is meant to be good publicity)
Self obsessed twat

(Evilweevil is covered in bees, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:13, archived)

Hear hear.

And for the record I'd like to add that I think he's a shortarsed pompous little cunt trumpet.

*EDIT*

In fact, everyone should click "I like this" on this thread and get that image^ on the frontpage.

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PMGT -Bacon., Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:16, archived)

Technically no-one buys his records any more, and that's the point of all this

His most recent album was given away free, as have many of his other works lately.

Basically, the argument runs that his primary source of income now is his performances, not actually selling records. Due to this, he argues that people 'stealing' materials from his performances is theft of his primary income source. Due to this it (apparently) falls outside of the 'fair use' rule of copyright.

His view is that there's bugger all money to be made from actually selling records now, and there's going to be even less in the future (fair enough, I think most of us would agree with that), so if musicians are going to be able to support themselves then they need to protect their other revenue stream (performing live) and in return they'll give away their music free. We don't pay for the music, but we don't get to piss around with things that he considers to impinge on his chances of profiting from the live concerts.

Yeah, it's a very grey legal area, and I don't blame Rob for a moment for backing out of the debate. I just thought that it might be handy to clarify the other side of the argument. (He's still acting like a dick, but he does have a unique legal position, and quite an interesting view of the future of music.)

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Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:01, archived)

but how does photoshopping a magenta cock onto his face

(as many have)

hurt his revenue stream from live performances? I don't see how he can claim damage to his livelihood due to fan sites posting his image, or indeed, headswaps with MsPaint.

(I know you're not prince's lawyer, just thinking out loud :)

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The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:05, archived)

I guess it's a case of not knowing where to draw the line, so blanketing the whole thing as bad.

When you draw a line of what you say is allowed you are always going to have a grey area. By saying 'nope, you're not allowed anything, you can all eff off' he makes it far easier in the future to collar anyone who is genuinely damaging his income, e.g. people selling extensive photographic or video recordings of his performances. It means being draconian now, but it gets much easier for him in the future because of this.

Again, I'm not saying he's going about it the right, but I can see a vague sense behind it. The revenue from selling records is falling for the musicians, and a new model does need to be found if there's going to be any future for bands making a living from their music. Prince's solution probably isn't the right way to solve the problem, but I can't blame him for trying to do something about it, because that's more than most of the industry.

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Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:16, archived)

I agree that it makes perfect sense as a strategy for TAFKAP,

I just don't think it can be on a firm legal standpoint to claim damages.

Unless he intends to sell images of himself, in which case posting an image on the web is limiting to that business.

I dunno.

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The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:20, archived)

I can only assume that's part of what he wants to do, otherwise, as you say, it doesn't make much legal sense.

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Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:26, archived)

Not libel.

Personal opinions are allowed. It's OK to say "I think Price is shit", it's not OK to say "Prince is shit"*.

*Except when used to illustrate a point about libel laws, as done here.

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Purple Martin is board sigless, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:44, archived)

I thought

that Libel was writing something that was untrue about someone?
If it can be established that Prince IS shit, then it isn't Libel.

(Evilweevil is covered in bees, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:50, archived)

I think it would be hard to prove a statement a vague as "Prince is shit"

you might be able to legally prove things like "Prince steals other people's lyrics" or "Prince doesn't write his own stuff", but not just his general shitness.

(note that all statements in this post are hypothetical, and for the purposes of discussion only).

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The Alchemist king of the needlessly complicated, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:08, archived)

I think Prince is Shit

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So i'm in the clear?

(Mark3y needs to put some welly in to it, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:52, archived)

All I said was that that piece of fish was good enough for Jehovah.

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Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:03, archived)

...

Are there any women here?

(Mark3y needs to put some welly in to it, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:07, archived)

Of course not, this is the internet!

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Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:17, archived)

I don't think it's libel

because you said "I think he's shit" not "he is shit".

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Ratsta, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 2:03, archived)

personally, I'm going to continue not buying his records

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discomeats This canoe, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:10, archived)

I've always liked his stuff, but over the last few days I've made a point of downloading any and all of his songs.

(Anthroapology __________________________________________________, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:14, archived)

illegally i hope???

(The Director of Directing, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:30, archived)

Welcome to ignore.

(Anthroapology __________________________________________________, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:10, archived)

This gets clickage from me

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chunderbunny lacking humus since, Thu 15 Nov 2007, 1:24, archived)