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# I'm not going to get into another theological argument
where I explain my views, get called a knob and yet again have to put up with fashionable atheists thinking they're dead clever for taking the piss. It's not clever, it's fucking rude. Live and let live, that's what I say but it seems if you have faith of any sort then that rule is squashed by an even bigger rule called 'act like a know-it-all bigotted twat around Christians'. I just don't understand why it's necessary to be so rude about something like someone's faith when it affects you exactly zero percent. Not you, but one. And funnily enough, the people I know who are quite vocally anti Christianity are much less so when they haven't got their little friends around them to pat them on the back after every insult.

So no, not discussing it. I don't think it's that clear cut though, I will say that.

Edit: I know I went off on a bit of a rant there but I've already had a similar discussion today. Sorry for flying off the handle.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:44, archived)
# good call
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:47, archived)
# i used to say live and let live.

you know i did, you know i did, you know i did.

but in this ever changing world in which we live in it made me give in a try

*Dun Dun Dun - Dun Dun Dun*

Live and Let Die!
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:48, archived)
# best......bond theme....evaaaaaar
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:50, archived)
# *Votes Captain Wow for Mayor of London*
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:49, archived)
# First on the agenda
is painting the Gherkin magenta.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:50, archived)
# Better than anything
Boris has come up with.
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:52, archived)
# And a different disco or funk track to be played
through loudspeakers across the city at half one. Cheer everyone up on their lunchbreak.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:54, archived)
# nice one
bring back routemasters too.

and gold plate all the tramps
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:55, archived)
# sweet
can second be getting a whale in the thames, permanently
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:52, archived)
# Fibreglass one, yes.
Real one, no. That's cruel.

Actually no, different member of the Welsh rugby team each day.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:54, archived)
# it's that kind of moral fortitude
that make you right 4 the role
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:59, archived)
# Can we also have jugglers on street corner?
and someone to go round shooting litter bugs
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:03, archived)
# Its very strange on here today
Im going back to work i understand that better

(I helped save b3ta! The Tig and me, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:50, archived)
# Here Here..

Faith is a private thing and should be kept that way.

If this could only happen, the world would be a better place.

I believe this but I an starting to wonder if I should have posted it?
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:50, archived)
# good for you cap'n
As a certified christian I whole heartedly support your stance.
yay for christians
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:51, archived)
# Yay for everyone, ffs.
Especially the Hindus, I wish everyone else was that colourful. The Hindus win the style contest, for me, bless them.

Anyway, I didn't actually mean to go off on one. I've a few friends who are atheists in that... intolerant way and they're fine people, we just don't discuss religion.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:53, archived)
# totally agree. (blimey we're getting deep today)(
you don't want to get me started on this!
as for christian views of suicide
"The 1997 Catechism of the Catholic Church indicates that suicide may not always be fully conscious – and thus not one-hundred-percent morally culpable: "Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.""
(Vinegar strokes Should know better on, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:55, archived)
# You could say that martyrdom
or just the act of NOT running away from persecution and eventual death at the hands of religious intolerance could be counted as suicide. All shades of grey, innit.


Anyway, I'm off, having had my rant. Hugs to all.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:56, archived)
# I'm mildly tolerant of religion, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and or ignorance
I just choose to go with the odds where belief is concerned, since I'm a scientist, and believe that based on the evidence I have seen, that there is nothing more than this and that afterlifes and heavens are fabrications of the human psyche.

that, and I prefer to talk about sex with you.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:58, archived)
# this^
hindu's are fab, i like religions with hundreds of multi coloured deities.

don't much care for the others that only have the one mind you.

but i'm getting into that today.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:59, archived)
# Are you inferring that all atheists are intolerant?
(I helped save b3ta! An Eagle in Your Mind, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:07, archived)
# I approve of your username
wholeheartedly

*spluffs for BoC*

(I helped save b3ta! Spunkmeyer, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:11, archived)
# \o/
(I helped save b3ta! An Eagle in Your Mind, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:34, archived)
# Hey!
Why didn't I get a certificate?
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:53, archived)
# I think if other people's religions, beliefs and beliefs in general didn't effect other people, then they would have no reason to argue or strike back about it.
As such people tend to be quite reactionary about the whole thing, much the same thing happened with sexual equality and feminists being incredibly reactionary to try and tip the scales so to speak.

Personally I don't think there's should be any more credence to religious or faith beliefs (whatever you may call them if you don't technically belong to a religion) and don't think they have any right to be elevated above socio-political views or any such secular opinion.
(Jeru War and Piss, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:55, archived)
# I believe in invisible ice-cream
*gets slaves to build an over-elaborate church to celebrate invisible ice-cream, using money which could have been used to prevent people dying of starvation*
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:04, archived)
# Seeing an acquaintance being manifestly delusional is disturbing.
It affects us that way, even if the religion in question has almost no effect on anything, like the C of E.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:09, archived)
# pfft
I must say, I have a certain affection for the way you have made your points. Do you have a book about you that I could live my life by plz?
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:16, archived)
# Heh heh heh.
Careful now.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:18, archived)
# I'm a firm believer in being rude to the religious.
Being religious isn't clever, and the tradition of giving respect to religion is an error.
I wouldn't be respectful if you sincerely claimed to believe in something equally ridiculous that you'd made up yourself, I'd call you a twat. "Stop saying that, you twat, it's idiotic," I'd say. Hence, that's what I say to religion.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:56, archived)
# A little knowledge
is a dangerous thing.

I'd recommend reading some Karl Popper on the philosphy of science, then go read about Bishop Berkeley's ideas on subjective idealism, it's not as cut and dried as you think.

Or alternatively, just continue to be rude of those who see the world in a different way than yourself.
(I helped save b3ta! Hamster Trippin' aka Mr. Titts, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:18, archived)
# I have read some of Karl Popper on the philosophy of science.
*pats Unended Quest*
What are you saying? I'm down with Popper: 1) we are perpetually wrong, 2) there exists an objective truth to grope towards. Berkley, on the other hand, can go kick some rocks.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:20, archived)
# What I'm saying is that I'm a firm believer in being patronising to people who refuse to have an open mind
:D
(I helped save b3ta! Hamster Trippin' aka Mr. Titts, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:26, archived)
# Fair play to you.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:29, archived)
# I used to believe
but there was always that niggling doubt that I couldn't rationalise against what I knew of science.

Still, I respect christianity, and all other religions, except scientology. It might not be any less believable than the other religions, but I just can't cope with people being suckered into it...
(I helped save b3ta! Mr.Ons knows you can hear him, Earthmen., Wed 16 Apr 2008, 12:56, archived)
# knob
/runs off giggling like a girl
(I helped save b3ta! DLT's Musical Bonanza is totting up the p, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:03, archived)
# affects = exactly zero percent??
I'm happy for you to love any sky daddy you want.

But the implications for beliefs, yours and others are felt world wide. No fault of the belief mind, more the people who carry out such acts in the name of sky daddy.

I’ll believe in people first.
(waxdart hello., Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:03, archived)
# This actually reminds me
Another forum I go on, had this very debate, where I called god an 'Imaginary twat in the clouds'

The Christians response to this. Offer to fight me if we ever met. It was pure genius.

For every 'turn the other cheek' there is 'an eye for an eye'.
(I helped save b3ta! DLT's Musical Bonanza is totting up the p, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:10, archived)
# other forum?
What you mean?
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:14, archived)
# THE other forum
Its basically the space on the internet that is not taken up by b3ta.
(I helped save b3ta! DLT's Musical Bonanza is totting up the p, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:32, archived)
# I hope you made the point
that, if he exists, he is a twat.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:17, archived)
# It wasn't even me debating whether he did or didn't
as I don't particularly care - I just like making religo's fume.
(I helped save b3ta! DLT's Musical Bonanza is totting up the p, Wed 16 Apr 2008, 13:34, archived)