Evil religion, Christopher Hitchens makes Tony bLiar squirm
Too srs? Eh, it's under 7 mins, and I think he makes some great arguments. It's time we started treating belief in God like belief in Flat Earth; it has just as much evidence, and makes just as much sense.
If you rant about alien lizard presidents and chemtrails, you get a nice padded jacket, but an invisible being that controls the world, walking on water, virgin birth, coming back to life -fine, teach it to kids.
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Don't forget the talking snake!
Jesus loves you, but if you don't love him back, he'll make you burn for all eternity.
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Tusk knows where you live, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 19:47,
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But God does exist
You see and feel his warmth every day from dawn to dusk (except when the evil moon blocks it out).......read the Bible substituting "the Sun" in place of "God" and it all makes sense!
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CanonCaliber A big bore, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 20:51,
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Jesus by the Sunday Times?
And 12 of Murdoch’s other rags as the apostles?
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Some lizards have virgin births...
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 16 Aug 2018, 20:56,
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I quite like the cut of his jib
Im not religious, its all man made tosh. But I do believe humanity needs something to establish some kind of balance. Otherwise you just end up with anarchy
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Turboesprit Volume knob, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 21:23,
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Peope conflate religion with morality
Christians don't kill, because they think that God will punish them.
Atheists don't kill, because they think it's immoral.
Guess who has killed a billion times more?
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You're a fucking moron. You think you're an interesting intellectual because you post some old Hitchens clip, and then you say some insanely over simplified fatuous guff like that. Fuck off.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 22:06,
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wehey!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm_niiQfeWc
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Turboesprit Volume knob, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 22:15,
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Hahahaha
NWOT
Oddly wonky captions, especially after 2.06, movement compensation problem?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=raeq0fzdqoE
Beautiful Abyssinian cat anyway.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 16 Aug 2018, 22:48,
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god damn wonky captions
whats the world coming to?
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Turboesprit Volume knob, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 23:24,
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I'm sorry, but posting a gif in place of argument is lower than-name calling
this was decided in a recent joint-session of Argumentative Ploy Rankers. It's now considered intellectually lower than saying "nah-a" as a rebuttal.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 22:42,
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this first three are interchangable, as are the bottom three. there's no call for it to be ranked pyramid.
they are all worded poorly. Contradiction with supporting evidence is refutation. name-calling is an ad hominen attack. "Explicitly" is a redundant adverb, you would hardly refute something implicitly. "using quotes" is just stupid. Does it mean citation? The point of an argument is to establish truth so there is no additional merit as to whether you dispute the "central point" rather than a peripheral one. You oppose what you feel is false.
If you're making an "opposing case", it is more than contradiction, which only needs a claim that your opponent is wrong. The use of "case" implies substance.
All in all it's just a banal, poorly thought-out gif of the type somebody might post on facebook and feel unmeritted smugness, and the act of posting it as a riposte makes the poster guilty of the very sin that this inessential pyramid failing attempts to condemn; that of bad, shallow argument
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 6:37,
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bit late to try and appear all above it given what you've already blathered on this post alone
you asked me what was wrong with your gif. it turns out to be quite a lot, I'd consider not using it again.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 7:57,
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I think you've got your users fuckmuddled
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 8:42,
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ah, yes
still, I really hate that gif. Also people saying things like "strawman fallacy", usually misapplied. both these things are enough to prod me out of my stupor
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 12:33,
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I disagree
Ad Hom isn't name-calling. A lot of people seem to think it is, but there's other ways to argue based on the person. For example, I guess it's understandable that you don't understand this because you've not studied Latin.
Responding to the person's argument is clearly not ad hom, by definition, so not interchangeable, as you claimed.
"Contradiction with supporting evidence is refutation" - I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, because the pyramid talks about contradiction withOUT supporting evidence. And that, BTW, was an example of using quotes; it's not so stupid.
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name-calling is ad hominen, ffs
ad hominen means "to the person", so for example, calling somebody "a thick pretentious fuckwit who thinks that his public school latin gives him some sort of intellectual gravitas inevident in his discourse" would be both name calling and also an ad homoinen attack directed "to the person". to put them in seperate categories is redundant
As to your second point, I was refering to the definition for counter argument above which states "contraction with supporting evidence" which is also a good description of Refutation, as I said. It's a pointless pyramid designed only to impress the intellectually bereft
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 15:40,
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Here's some Latin. Engaging with this stupid fucking cunt is infra dig. Stop wasting your time mate.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 16:03,
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It really isn't.
An ad hominem attack is not quite as weak as name-calling. It might actually carry some weight. For example, if a Boris Johnson wrote an article saying MP salaries should be increased, you could respond "Of course he would say that. He's an MP."
That wouldn't refute his argument, but it is at least relevant.
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Name calling is a form of ad hominem.
And is probably the weakest form.
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Congratulations on reaching level 2/7
"Attacks the character of the writer without addressing the substance of the argument."
Learn how to link.
Yes, I used a personal attack on a different thread, ie "cockwomble". B3ta wouldn't be b3ta without that stuff, but still - I shouldn't have stooped to an insult. I stand by the substance of my argument there, but it was not justified to call names. Sadly, the b3ta mentality normalises it. I'll reconsider in the future, and I'm sorry.
How is your glass house holding up? "You're a fucking moron" (above) doesn't sound very Christian.
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"You're a fucking moron" (above) doesn't sound very Christian.
Possibly unchristian but acceptably punctuated. That puts it in the top 5% of internet comments whether you agree with it or not.
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Also we have ample documentation suggesting that it may actually be true.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 14:39,
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Good point
Finding an alternative to those, often supportive, belief systems seems to be the difficult task. Particularly for the less critical people who want something to believe in, something to follow.
Wait a sec, this isn't funny.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 16 Aug 2018, 23:57,
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I can prove God exists
Firstly, imagine that you are floating in space looking down at the world. Now imagine in your space ship next to you in the cabin there is a beaver. If you are having difficulty imagining a beaver, then imagine another furry woodland creature of approximately similar dimensions. Now, a beaver, if it is a beaver that you're imagining, needs a diet of green leafy vegetables and high-calcium starch meal if you're to keep it as a pet. One of the most important things to do is to look around your home and identify areas that the beaver could chew with his well developed incisors, and either paint them with a heavy pine lacquer that the beaver won't feel inclined to bite, or to simply remove those objects from within the beavers reach. Have him checked by a vet regularly, and remember: beavers love water. I wish you many years of enjoyable beaver ownership.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 22:56,
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That's a very long-winded way of saying
b3ta.com/users/profile.php?id=3
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 22:28,
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If your cunt of a God exists,
He's omnipotent, right? So why does he starve 3 million children to death every year?
Where's your evidence for this God? Why should I believe it more than Santa Claus?
Maybe you've spoken to "Flat Earthers", and know how frustrating it is. They have zero evidence for their claims, they just bullshit you, spam nonsense, they change subject, they get abusive.
Well, guess what. So do Christians.
No logic, no proof, no evidence, no credibility, utter bullshit.
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well now that you've gone and imagined such a god existing
no doubt one now exists in some sort of multi dimensional parallel universe according to some of the currently touted theories so how do you feel about invoking those poor innocent unsuspecting souls into possible existence in such a universe you inconsiderate cunt? why don't you try and imagine something nicer, eh?
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 23:37,
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You mean omnipotent and benevolent.
You must have the two otherwise your argument fails and you're a smelly poo face.
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rjmrjm, Thu 16 Aug 2018, 23:42,
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Why does God allow bad things to happen?
Because they are a cunt.
Imagine the world a bored cunt would make.
Here we are. It is exact to the finest detail
This reality is proof of God.
And that they are a cunt. And they hate every single one of us.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 17 Aug 2018, 0:01,
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sanctimonious atheists
Are the worst of all the cunts.
Government is your god. And you put yourself above everything.
Your problem is you haven't enough near-death experiences to sense spiritual reality. So dazzled by physical reality there cannot be anything else beyond it.
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kombu dashi, Tue 21 Aug 2018, 1:44,
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