Ever seen a steam train race?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 16 May 2023, 12:24,
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Polar opposite feelings of despair for me.
All that coal being burned and for what? Use of these planet killing machines should have been banned for decades.
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Tue 16 May 2023, 14:33,
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We need to carbon offset all those people who insulate their homes well, recycle everything and travel by bicycle.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Tue 16 May 2023, 15:05,
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Can't we just compost them instead?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 16 May 2023, 15:22,
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Get the carnivores driving HGVs, train the omnivores to pick fruit, breed the herbivores for meat.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Tue 16 May 2023, 15:31,
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The sun's shining. Why not go outside and enjoy it instead of hanging around here being miserable all the time?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 16 May 2023, 15:25,
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More of an observation that your posts around here of late don't indicate a happy person. I mean you literally said you're getting feelings of despair.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Wed 17 May 2023, 21:28,
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I agree with you. Hopefully it was a one-off and just a bit of silly nonsense.
That said, those steam trains pale into insignificance compared to Australia's dependence on coal for generating electricity. Not that that is right either:
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Varmint, Tue 16 May 2023, 16:43,
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How much diesel is burned by the ship transporting all our ultra green western electric car batteries across the sea from China?
Bring back galley slaves! Or at least market it as a free alternative to gym membership, combined with a round the world cruise.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Tue 16 May 2023, 16:59,
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To share the benefit break the voyage into smaller portions suitable for tourists who can be ensured they'll arrive beach body ready
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Divide it up between rowing machines and pedallers, half a million people working together should achieve 5 knots for this ship.
Only 40 years to wait until your container arrives at Felixstowe!
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Tue 16 May 2023, 17:38,
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Not sure but
according to the IEA, "In 2021 international shipping accounted for ~2% of global energy-related CO2 emissions." It's also widely reported that container ships and tankers have been going slower to increase fuel efficiency in recent years.
If you're suggesting that drilling and burning dinosaur juice is just as bad as mining and burning coal, I don't think that's right. Dino juice is less radioactive, less sooty, and you don't need to engineer a new wasteland to extract it.
Don't get me wrong, it needs to be banned too, obvs.
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Tue 16 May 2023, 18:02,
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
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tarka_dall Like normal dall, only a bit more spicy, Tue 16 May 2023, 18:43,
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What they said. ^
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Tue 16 May 2023, 19:13,
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The devil is in the details
Or in this particular case, the footnotes:
“As a general clarification, ounce for ounce, coal ash released from a power plant delivers more radiation than nuclear waste shielded via water or dry cask storage.”
So we’re comparing apples and oranges, then implying that one of those is a banana.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 16 May 2023, 20:49,
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Only if you don't understand.
A coal power plant releases more radiation than a nuclear plant, as your numbers clarify.
Mining practically anything releases Naturally Occurring Radioactive Materials (mostly radon gas but also some much nastier stuff).
Refining practically anything that's mined also produces NORMs. But unlike oil and gas, the burning of coal also produces NORMs.
Unlike with nuclear power stations, coal waste is just chucked into the environment. It's packed full of other nasty poisons and pollutants. It has (at least indirectly) contributed to the deaths of *millions* of people, and has a terrible effect on biodiversity and habitat loss. Coal is the worst of the worst. Best left buried.
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Tue 16 May 2023, 21:08,
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Not disputing that
I’m disputing whether the effect is significant enough to warrant mentioning it whether it’s just another radiation scare story.
“At one extreme, the scientists estimated fly ash radiation in individuals' bones at around 18 millirems ”
For comparison:
“Each banana can emit .01 millirem” - source: www.epa.gov/radtown/natural-radioactivity-food
So a worst case estimate makes it equivalent to 1800 bananas. Or three per day.
I think you may need some perspective.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 16 May 2023, 23:02,
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That's some good trolling.
A banana a day will actually reduce your risk of cancer. Suffering a steam train to exist will increase your risk of cancer.
This is not complicated.
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Tue 16 May 2023, 23:23,
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I wouldn't be surprised if the 'going slow' in recent years isn't due to delays loading and offloading in ports or a hope of seeing the benefits of contango
this is, after all, the same shipping industry that repeatedly kept extending the deadline for doing anything about carbon emissions
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Lies!
The only way to feel despair looking at a steam train is if you're tied to the tracks
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Dick Wonder ₐ wₒₙₖy, wₐᵥy wₒₙdₑᵣ, Tue 16 May 2023, 18:15,
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I don't know, I think you'd feel chuffed.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 16 May 2023, 19:06,
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We'll make the world uninhabitable long before we get anywhere near to causing irreversible damage to the environment by burning fossil fuels.
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Legit cannot tell if this is a joke or not.
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Wed 17 May 2023, 0:39,
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Tell Ukraine
www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/ukraine-rail-update-trains-return-to-liberated-cities-company-ceo-suggests-steam-as-backup-plan/
Not a one off jolly, but a day to day event.
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An Egg ,D, Tue 16 May 2023, 23:50,
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Would you just look at all that lovely steam and carbon being deposited into the atmosphere... the trees and plants are sure going to love soaking it all up to keep us stupid twats alive for a tiny bit longer :)
(not sarcasm)
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Alright Nigel Lawson
snowballs disprove global warming too, eh.
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brb Learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum, Wed 17 May 2023, 1:28,
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I cannot open another copy after the time they featured celebrity software thief and probable nonce Bill Gates (who has very little influence over the content) as their page 7 stunner, pouting with his saggy man boobs on full display.
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