Turns out that Titanic tourist submersible that's gone missing is dodgy as fuck. Good thing they have a completely watertight waiver.
Jankery begins around the 2:35 mark.
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 7:46, Reply)
Let's hope they are found alive. Let's also hope that Elon Musk makes a poor remark about some diver going on a rescue mission.
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Octo I ruin everything., Tue 20 Jun 2023, 8:59,
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Just waiting for the Tesla stock price to dip again before throwing another £10k at it.
Don't let me down, Elon!
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 9:03, Reply)
Not the first time I've observed you making disparaging comments about people just because they have a lot of money.
What's that about? Does having a lot of money make somebody inherently worse than somebody that does not in your opinion? Do you feel that there should be an upper limit to somebodies personal wealth, at which point any excess is shared amongst the less financially gifted?
I'm genuinely not trying to be facetious. I just think that of all the kinds of people to harbour a resentment against, people who have a lot of money seem like an odd choice.
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 15:10, Reply)
Yes
Being rich means you deserve death, and this desire should be expressed while sitting in a comfy chair in a first world country using relatively expensive technology.
The very last thing you should do while having these opinions is work towards alleviating the poverty that grips half the planet (half the planet live on less than $7 a day). Instead, you should throw around orange powder at a snooker game, waste food throwing it onto art, or sit in the road. If you're really hypocritical, you could strew plastic waste around and destroy hedging.
Personally, I actually do believe there should be an upper limit on personal wealth and the limit should be put into place by a tax on wealth, property, and shares simply because of the likes of Bezos and Musk who are annexing obscene amounts of the global cache of wealth that could be used to do the sort of thing I talk about above, that being to make it so that at a minimum everybody is clothed, housed, and fed. The rest of getting your shit together after that is up to you and your ability to improve your lot. Once that basic minimum is in place, we could have a look at letting the ultrarich have a bit more.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 16:53,
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It's pointless wishing death on anyone!
We all deserve death, and we all get what we deserve.
Besides, the material components are really expensive, and I can't pronounce the third line of the incantation.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 16:58,
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There are twelve ways of summoning Death
but eight of them cause instant death, and so might just be considered to summon Death in the "usual" manner, and the ninth is very hard to remember. This leaves three ways to safely summon death, one being the rite of AshkEnte, which involves heavy equipment consisting of numerous drippy candles, octograms written on the floor, thuribles, and similar paraphernalia, although the Rite can be performed by a couple of people with three small sticks and 4 cc of mouse blood or even with a fresh egg and only two small sticks.
It's not strictly binding, though. It's generally assumed Death appears out of politeness.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 17:23,
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Ah, no you misunderstood
It's not a summoning of Death, you know, for an interesting chat or anything - it's a Death Spell, that slays opponents instantly. It's really hard to find virgins' hearts in Worcestershire, and I can't do that clicky thing with my voice.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 17:34,
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Ah I see
yeah, that clicky thing is really hard to do. I knew someone who learned a bit of Xhosa, and he said that he got laughed at (not in a nasty way) every time he tried to talk to someone who spoke it natively.
Still, not as hard as it is to find a virgin's heart in Worcestershire.
Have you considered cyanide and a blow dart as a more mundane alternative?
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 19:36,
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Do you have a billion pounds, Mr. SwagaPenis?
Do you aspire to?
I'm with My Name, except for the self righteous, possibly ironic/double-sarcastic trolling remarks about people doing their best to save the planet. Nobody needs to be rich, nobody deserves to be rich. Wealth inequality creates massive problems for everyone in our made up system. If we get a well implemented UBI, if amassing a personal fortune didn't have such negative effects on the majority of the world, then I'd have no problem with it. As it happens, it does, so I do.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 17:58,
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No, and no.
I have a relatively decent income and thanks to not owning a motor vehicle or having any offspring to endlessly funnel money into, I live a relatively comfortable life. Probably a lot more comfortable than the average individual on a comparable income. That's plenty good enough for me.
Having so much money that I wouldn't need to work would be awful for me. I'd likely end up eating or drinking myself to death within a decade. Plus, I quite like my job. Just not so much that I'd work there for free.
That being said, I hold no ill will towards people who just happen to have loads of money. One of the more affluent roads in my town is populated by massive detached Georgian mansions on frankly ridiculous sized lawns. I absolutely feel a little twang of envy when I pass these properties, but not once do I think it's 'unfair' that these people have vastly more money than me or that they have some kind of responsibility to distribute their wealth among the riff raff.
Some people are just mega wealthy. The vast majority of the time, they've inherited that money. Its not their fault. So it seems a bit bloody weird to hold a grudge against them.
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 19:07, Reply)
Well it's been explained to you twice but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.
The problem with our trickle-up economic system is that maintaining personal wealth *requires* a significantly larger number of people held in relative poverty. It's essentially what money is for.
The concept of the politics of envy is a red herring. Right wingers often fall back on the false idea of meritocracy and personal choice for reasons which appear obvious. Let me know if it's not obvious to you and I'll patronise you some more.
I actually believe in some right wing (or liberal) economics too, such as infinite growth. Our infinite sky grants access to that, but also necessarily wrecks the current economic system because there is essentially infinite wealth out there. "16 Psyche," for example, contains enough gold, nickel and iron to make us all multi-billionaires.$10,000 quadrillion worth, it says here. Shouldn't that be 10 quintillion? It's a big fucking number, anyway.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 20:02,
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Did you know that not having any children
means you are giving a free pass to yourself and more than 10 other people to be able to drive a car, not recycle, eat meat, have transatlantic holidays, and use a tumble drier (and a few other 'green' things). Having a kid is the worst thing you can do to the environment by a very long way. If you have 3 kids, you are forcing over 30 people to be extremely restricted in their lives.
I forget the comedian, but I remember the 'bit' he did where he said that if there were only 10 people on the planet, you could all drive around all day in coal powered steamrollers, ploughing down plants and animals without care, clubbing baby seals as you go, eating McDonalds out of styrofoam containers and just throwing them on the ground, and it wouldn't affect the planet one bit. On the other hand, if you put 25 billion people on the planet, just eating and breathing will fuck everything. Somewhere in-between, there is a population level where you can pretty much do what you like, and the planet will be fine. All we have to do is keep our numbers to that level and the problems we have right now will be solved, but good luck getting people to stop fucking...
Regarding the wealthy people who live near you, they have no obligation to spread their wealth around, even they have almost no money compared to the ultra-rich. The amount of wealth the ultra-rich have is unimaginable. Not just 'never have to work again' money, they have orders of magnitude more than that. Jeff Bezos' daily income (as of 2022) is $0.468 billion. If the posh houses near you are $10 million each, he can buy 46 of them every single day, and still increase his wealth by nearly $70 million a day. One hour of his earnings ($19.52 million) is way more than 'never have to work again'.
I don't hold a grudge, life is too short. I do think though that there is something very wrong with the system we have if it is possible for them to be able to do that and not put a good chunk of that towards feeding, housing and clothing the people at the other end of the wealth scale who do not have food, clothes, or houses to live in.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 20:02,
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I mostly agree
except for the Malthusian stuff. Earth could support trillions, but it would require some kind of Star Trek communist utopia to manage the movement of resources and whatnot.
Was it Carlin?
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 20:15,
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I think
it was either Bill Hicks or Dennis Leary
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 23:28,
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The kid who's going to die in there with his dad doesn't make you feel the tiniest bit sad?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 15:25,
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Thank god you're here to think of the children.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 17:45,
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He's 19 years old
Counts as an adult in terms of taking responsibility for his own actions.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 18:24,
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To be fair to them
I'm not sure it's quite as dodgy as it looks, inherent dodginess of going there at all notwithstanding.
Xbox controllers can take a lot of abuse and are probably more reliable than anything you could buy.
The main things with that sort of design are that the pressure vessel must be good and the ballast has to drop when you need to drop it.
Using scrap iron held on with electromagnets looks like a reasonable fail safe approach to me. Power goes, ballast drops and up you go.
Personally I wouldn't get in anything like that but the design doesn't seem crazy.
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 9:17, Reply)
The controller is the the part that particularly stood out to me.
That's a Logitech F710 that they're using. It seems like a terrible choice in terms of redundancy, because there's no option to tether it via USB in the event that your batteries run out or the receiver packs in.
You'd like to think that they'd have a contingency plan in place for situations such as that, but looking at how cramped the vessel is, I suspect that their contingency doesn't extend much further than a spare set of batteries.
I'm sure there must be some kind of fuckit button or other emergency backup control measure, but choosing a controller that only has one method of communication as your primary input device seems a little short-sighted. Especially since the F710 already has a reputation for being sketchy in its native environment.
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 9:38, Reply)
To me the key thing was the ballast release
If they have done the sensible thing and just used an electromagnet then going up is just a matter of flipping a breaker, and loss of power makes you go up.
Assuming it was a magnet they used. Anything more complicated is asking for trouble.
Watching again did say it was a 1 button up/down thing so I'm wondering if the controller was just for cameras and minor maneuvering.
(, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 9:52, Reply)
my only concern about the design is the cylinder (composite) plus hemisphere (titanium) design for the pressure vessel where the front hemisphere has to be unbolted and rebolted to let people in
and the potential for error every time you do it
everything else I've seen that can dive to that depth has a spherical pressure vessel with a pressure sealed top hatch, but the maximum number of passengers for those is 3 instead of 5
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custard, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 13:25,
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Seems like an obvious weak point
You’d better hope that the gasket is sound.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 14:28,
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yar, it's a megalodon, I tells ya
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 9:41,
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Glad this thread isn't about mermaid ethnicity
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Tue 20 Jun 2023, 11:56,
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NOTHING this newsworthy ever happens by RANDOM CHANCE!
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Wed 21 Jun 2023, 17:08,
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Titanic II
If anything good comes out of this horrendous tragic event, at least James Cameron gets his sequel movie to Titanic.
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