A Minority Pastime
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Trailer for "A Minority Pastime", an independent film on fox hunting in the UK and the people who continue to break the law for what they call sport. It contains quite upsetting imagery, both of the animals being hunted and the twats on horses not caring about their dogs getting run over or hit by trains. If you can't bare to watch the trailer yourself you're already in favour of the ban staying. Pass it on to anyone who is unsure whether the ban on hunting should be repealed.
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” Mahatma Gandhi
Marked NSFW because its really horrible in places.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 22:32,
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yeah but Ghandi used to sleep with his younger neices.
..you know, for spiritual reasons.
and, he didn't really seem to like the Jews very much either.
So I take his views with a pinch of salt.
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 22:43, Reply)
an appeal to authority
responded to with an ad hominem.
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Sextant goes to him is emotionally erect, on this day, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 9:19,
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It's simply pathetic in 2010
Some people want to make a day out of prancing around the countryside slaying animals for entertainment, dressed up like twats. If they have a problem with a pest, destroy it after careful consideration; not dress up and make a day out of the animal's demise.
And I very much doubt most of those pricks on horses are there for controlling 'a rural problem;' simply for some blood fest. What sad wankers
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 22:48,
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I agree, they look like twats, and in practice I'd prefer to not see unnecessary cruelty to animals. However, laws apply to humans, not foxes, and the land is private; so, if someone wants to kill a wild animal on their property, then it should be their right to do so if it is otherwise legal (ie, doesn't belong to anyone else, isn't going extinct, etc...). Even if you don't like the method they employ, or what they stand for.
Personally I think you also have to admit that both the "Hunter Lobbyists" and the "Animal Rights Activists" both have a share of nutters on either side, and that a video like this one is clearly propaganda in favour of the latter group.
anyroad, it still sucks to see animals killed by being torn to shreds where they could be killed in a relatively painless fashion, I agree. Although this video sickens me as much for its propaganda content, as for its content regarding animal cruelty.
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:14, Reply)
"Even if you don't like the method they employ"
But it's banned by UK law, tearing animals to pieces by dogs. This is what the tories and their liberal chums want to overturn
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:25,
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I'm assuming the video footage was taken when hunting was still legal...
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(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:45, Reply)
from what I can understand this is all footage of hunts going on since the ban
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HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 7:22,
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yup
They have legal "scent" hunts and if they accidentaly bump into a fox and the dogs get over excited then it's not their fault as they weren't going out there in serach of the foxes in the 1st place. *loud coughing*
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Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 9:00,
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Powerful stuff.
"I'll damage your car. I'm entitled to". Fucking cunts. Shows all the evil shits up for exactly what they are, doing it all under the pretence of culling the population.
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FoldsFive, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 22:53,
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I'm against fox hunting and hunting with dogs
yet i'm pro hunting, having worked in a gunshop i understand some control is needed. you don't shoot an animal until you can be sure you can have a clean kill. but hunting with dogs if for ponces. I should note i frigging love animals too. even the ones that are pests and the ones i eat 9chickens pigs cows deer etc) i now feel sick.
wow this image is ooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllddddddddd yet still i love it
now to watch some kittens
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Dances with Rabbits Back to Education i go, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 22:55,
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completely agree on that
I don't find anything wrong with killing a wild animal quickly to use it as food. In fact I think tracking, shooting, killing and eating say, a wild deer, is a lot more humane than breeding a cow that's solely intended for the slaughterhouse and doesn't get a chance to escape.
Hunting for pleasure with dogs on the other hand, is for massive cunts and holds no value whatsoever :(
Great vid btw Happytoast, more people should watch this.
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Damien's Hearse, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:53,
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I am sorry to disagree,
but Ghandi was one of the biggest inhibitors of the modern development of India. Also, if all fox hunting activity was banned, then cute lully dogs would invitably need to put down if good homes are not found. Not saying it is totally justified to hunt and outnumber foxes, and there must be ways of controlling them. As they need to be, but there are implications for everything involved. The dogs, horses, equestrian industry. This kind of story always reminds me of the animal rights activists who let cages of mink loose, causing more damage to the local wildlife and environment than a fur coat ever would. There must be balance.
And even funnier, I am watching mongrels at the moment which stars a fox.
You know I love you, Mr Toast
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:03,
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If you remove yourself from the overtly sentimental arguments of the extreme animal activists
and try and find some common sense, you are left with most of what the video is about. Is it healthy for human beings to be making a ritual out of destroying life? I personally don't think so. That is all 'the hunt' seems to be doing. You would have to be a right prick to think any of that is done by that lot to control a nuisance to farmers and livestock. They are there for the thrill of the hunt.
I couldn't agree more about idiots who 'liberate' minx into non-native environments; but it's not really the same thing; they will have to be destroyed before to much damage is done; yet I don't sense by lots of horsemen with trumpets and a pack of dogs bred, maintained, and excused for the soul purpose of tearing apart an animal 'in the name of tradition.'
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:19,
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what do we do with killer whales? they kill for sport, as do some dolphin groups (known attacks on porpoises IIRC).
the point I'd make is, yes, we should know better as a species, but some people like to do it. [it: hunt foxes with dogs]
so, at what point is it my right to stop another from doing what they enjoy when no other human is being hurt (in a legal sense, let's ignore the secondary psychological effect)?
what solution? animal rights? rediculous. ban on things untasteful to others? a dangerous approach.
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Killer Whales?
Sorry chap, none of that makes the slightest bit of sense to what you replied to
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:36,
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I concur
set the leopards on him.
That is allowed?
Isnt it?
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:38,
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I shall whisper in their ears
and hint at fiendish stuff
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:52,
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ignore that bit, if you like. that's there to illustrate that hunting for sport is not unique to humans.
I'm asking you where do you draw the lines here?
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:39, Reply)
It is not unique to humans,
however humans, uniquely, have the power to stop doing it. Animals do not.
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:44,
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well that's one for the animal behavourists to argue..
but I tend to agree, it does appear to be a uniquely human trait ;D
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:47, Reply)
I've had it with these motherfucking foxes on the motherfucking board...
off to bed methinks :)
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:49,
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Setting a pack of specially bred dogs on another animal and having it torn to pieces for entertainment
sort of springs to mind, but I think I'm in danger of coming across as some animal right's nutter a bit to furiously to continue; I respect what you guys have said; I shall now grab another ale and watch a few episodes of Rome before bed :)
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Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:50,
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heheh.
and I shall try to not act like red coat wearing nutter who might say:
"I'll shout at you on a message board, because I'm entitled!"
take 'er easy ;)
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:56, Reply)
Nighty night...
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 0:00,
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Saying that killer whales hunt for sport is attributing human thought to their behaviour.
While it may seem pointless to us when a killer whale attacks prey without eating it there's no way we can actually understand why it's doing it, hence the argument is void...
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Damien's Hearse, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 0:01,
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Mr Jahled, sir...
..I appear to be picking on you, and I apologise.
Please do not let it stop you from posting photographs and videos of interesting and cute animals! that would be A Bad Thing! :D
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:49, Reply)
I dont agree necessaraly with the hunt.
The similarity is (re mink) the amount of propaganda that churns out from both sides. Foxes are a nuisance. Really. Ok, farmers get all uppity about foxes killing their chickens, sheep and other livestock. But it is their livelyhood.
But there is never any balance to it. Fuck the farmers and their money making schemes, and want to protect their interest. Hunting is not the way, but the subject of foxes should be adressed still. And watching emotive violent videos are not, in my opinion, the way forward. And you are alright. No fox is gonna fuck with what you deal with.
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:32,
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He inhibited development following western ideals.
There is plenty to be said in favour of his suggestion that industrialisation and development needn't be centralised in massive cities with ghettos and can be accomplished using the community you have at hand.
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morrybyte made a subtle namechange at, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 0:43,
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He inhibited by shunning western world.
And only allowing trade within his own country, using primitive tools for doing so, not allowing the use of any modern machinery. His chosen symbol was the spinning wheel. Anywho it is far too late, I should be in bed really.
Love you.
*kisses forehead*
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@RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 0:52,
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its the nature of the bully to persecute something smaller and weaker
fox hunting is for twats and they need a fucking good smack.
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I think the thing that people get fussed about is that a fox is a small brown furry animal very much like a dog. I don't think they'd be nearly so worried if it was a little four-legged car, full of chips.
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Lightguy hail satan, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:24,
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hahahahaha :D
I think you may have found a great solution for both sides there!
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Damien's Hearse, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 0:04,
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I'm a city person
so watched the debate unfold with no real pre-conceptions. What became clear was that the pro-hunt brigade constantly changed thier arguments. One minute it was essential vermin control, the next it was a way of life, then a sport, then a tradition, then an essential employer.
If a fox is causing a farmer trouble, he can legally kill it. I have no problem with that. But when i found out people allowed and encouraged foxes to breed so they would have something to hunt... Sorry, all arguements collapse. If you are doing it for fun, admit it and argue your point. If you need them wiped out, admit it and argue your point. If you try to do both, you look very silly to us fence sitters.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:57,
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i was just about to reply without bothering watching....
and say i used to like your animations and stuff on here but your just being another animal liberation nut and foxs need controlling etc etc...
then i watched it. fuck me. think my opinion has just changed they are all cock end bastard mother fugger rugger buggers.
(, Tue 13 Jul 2010, 23:59, Reply)
Watching this video
I've come over all Ray Winstone (Ou Er Missus)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ae7lVqhinM
Honestly, I'd do a Ray should some utter tosser on a horse speak to me like that. I understand two wrongs don't make a right but some sort of justice needs to be administered.
(, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 0:42, Reply)
Again?
You've posted on this subject more than once and it simply brought out the same old ignorant views.
(, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 6:27, Reply)
I didn't realise there was a limit on the number of times you could post different things on a similar theme
Lucky people don't post all those tiresome videos of Maru or repeated clips of different people faceplanting.
Seriously though, my opinion on hunting for sport and pleasure hasn't changed, the human race should be better than that. Sorry for thinking so. I haven't expressed any further views, i.e. the nonsense its a class war, people should live off baked beans only etc etc.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 7:21,
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a fox came into the garden the other
night, and tried to attack my 3 year old neice who was sitting in the paddling pool...
so kill the fuckers....because they are pests.
(, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 10:13, Reply)
Interesting video
...although hopelessly one sided
Personally I'm against fox hunting *as a sport* - all those posh twats in red coats being utter pillocks. However, I'm for it as a vermin control measure. I've seen first hand what foxes can do and it ain't pleasant. Hunting with dogs is actually arguably *more* humane than, say, hunting with guns or traps. With guns you may shoot and injure the animal without cleanly killing it, with traps other animals may get caught and needlessly suffer as a result. With *dogs* the animal is directly targetted, and once the dogs catch up with the fox it's almost 100% certain that fox is soon to become an ex-fox.
I realise that's not going to be to everyones tastes, and I completely agree with the vid when it talks about hunting for *sport* being "bad" but I think it misses a
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wideeye slightly pickled, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 10:26,
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So your argument is basically "it's okay to kill foxes, just don't enjoy it or be posh while doing it."
Personally, I don't see how a person's emotional state when killing a fox alters it's moral rightness or wrongness.
(, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:45, Reply)
absolutely not what I meant at all
...foxes need *culling* just like ducks, mice, rats, pigeons, BNP members etc. In this respect, yes, I agree with killing them if it's needed (and it often is). What isn't right IMO is killing them for sport like the red coats do. Although, saying that, I grew up in the country and live in the middle of nowhere now, and whenever they used to have these hunt meets they were usually so sozzled that all they could do was fall off their horses.
Culling foxes is just like any other form of land management, if they weren't culled in some way we'd probably be overrun by the smelly little buggers (and they do smell)
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wideeye slightly pickled, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 14:00,
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