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This is a link post Benefits claimants to be banned from driving
If this UKIPper gets his way

Common sense policies and common sense solutions
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 21:58, Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly, cut their legs off too!
Make them find work hobbling round on bloodied stumps, that'll teach 'em!
 (HandmadeLurkage it smells of farts in here, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:03, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not sure that constantly mocking these fuckwits is helpful,
however much they deserve it. It certainly doesn't appear to be diminishing their popularity, if anything it's reinforcing it as they're seen as outside the establishment.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:07, Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't mock them at all
simply repeated their own words. People need to know the policies they're voting for
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:10, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm a bit Green
but they have their own share of crass councillors https://twitter.com/thepennydrops/status/483374797473476610
 (I helped save b3ta! unclepills Sixty 25th of Decembers, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:22, Reply)
This is a normal post he's a bit opinionated and it will lose him some votes
but I'd rather vote for someone who hates war than someone who can't see that depriving people on benefits from using the roads will stop them from getting jobs to get off benefits
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post ^ absolutely this

(I helped save b3ta! thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:29, Reply)
This is a normal post
seulement un exemple, not a definitive one. There are shades and that's how we work it out
 (I helped save b3ta! unclepills Sixty 25th of Decembers, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 23:23, Reply)
This is a normal post SPORT R TROOPS!

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 23:51, Reply)
This is a normal post "His" own words, not "Their" own words.
Any political party, with VERY few exceptions, will have a broad variety of views within its ranks. Do all "New" Labour members believe that Blair did nothing wrong? Of course not. (Although enough of the cunts thought so at the time) Do ALL Tory members believe in homeopathy? Of course not. (Pity that their fuckwitted Health Minister does though) Do all Liberal voters wet their beds and cry themselves to sleep every night like whiney little bitches? Yes.
Although I've got to admit, I WAS willing to give UKIP a chance. Right up until they accepted that cunt Neil Hamilton as a member and prospective MP.
 (I helped save b3ta! stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:05, Reply)
This is a normal post But he hasn't been selected as a prospective MP so you will still vote for that shower of shits.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, u luv ukip !!!!!!!!

stuf is voting for ukip to protect him from:
- gays causing rain
- women being sluts
- gay horses
- 'chinky birds'
- the entire population of Romania AND Bulgaria arriving in the UK last year
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 5:48, Reply)
This is a normal post And Poland
You forgot Poland.

That's 7.4, 20ish and 39ish...
That rounds out at about 66 million. A full 13 more than the actual population of the UK.
You lot must packed together like in a no cover charge night club on a Friday night by now.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 9:49, Reply)
This is a normal post i disagree
They long to be taken seriously. Laughing at then makes them angry. And the angrier they get the more ridiculous they look
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I say you're both wrong.
Laughing is how to deal with tyrants that are already in. UKIP just need to be starved of publicity; shrug your shoulders and move on and they would soon disappear. It's all this talk about them that gives them a veneer of credibility.

edit: tend to side with Toast on this one. If people knew half of the non-immigration stuff that UKIP espouse they'd lose their deposits.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Bullshit. It's the non-immigration stuff that's WINNING them votes.

(I helped save b3ta! stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Well yes, but all extremist parties look fucking ridiculous when you stare at them long enough
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-party/11356354/Drugs-brothels-al-Qaeda-and-the-Beyonce-tax-the-Green-Party-plan-for-Britain.html
 (I helped save b3ta! Harpago ¯\(°_o)/¯, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 0:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Saw this on spazz book
nothing mental going on there, not a party of mentalists or anything
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 1:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Now I am definatly voting green!

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 8:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Posted by a blogger called Mum juice?!
"Mum Juice wants to feed the family - body and mind...." Slurp.
 (felixcoen, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:16, Reply)
This is a normal post "Cyclists should go back to the pavements"?
When was this golden age when pedestrians and cyclists happily coexisted on a meter-wide strip of paving?
 (I helped save b3ta! thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:23, Reply)
This is a normal post before the invention of the bike

(I helped save b3ta! Marxist Pig Better Red Than Smeg, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Back when we were allowed, nay encouraged to shove cyclists off bridges.

(I helped save b3ta! stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:08, Reply)
This is a normal post He's been suspended, apparently.
Full thing here:
pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-JGiRIUAApWK6.jpg

I do like his unanswered question "Why is it cheaper to get a return flight to Spain than a train ticket from Leicester to London?", as the answer is "privitisation" - hardly UKIP thinking to undo that.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 22 Jan 2015, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post I remember frowning when the Hedgehogfromhell said it was much cheaper for him to fly to London from Dundee to a bash
than take a train. I frowned for the wrong reasons

It's simply cheaper to operate a plane for short haul
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 0:52, Reply)
This is a normal post It should not be.
A train is a stupidly simple machine that should cost basically the price of the pig iron needed to make it.

How train travel became so expensive, in most of Europe, is a mystery to me.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 9:43, Reply)
This is a normal post I guess planes don't fly on railtracks
which require shit loads of space and no end of maintenance
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 9:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, I kinda call bullshit to that.
Heavy rail can last from 30 to 100 years before needing a full refit...
And newer track systems (1970's onwards) are projected to last even longer.

Most maintenance is at crossings and heavy stress curves, the rest is pretty stable.
For lets say 15000 movements a year (about one train every 30 min)?
I'd say that the maintenance cost of a 100 miles of track, the rolling stock and two train stations over 30 years.
Is probably a magnitude or two lower than than the maintenance of two airports, the aircraft's and others (comms, radars etc) at 100 miles from one another.

Then if you factor in energy. It becomes ridiculously in favour of trains.

So the difference is going somewhere but where? I say aliens.
onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_webdoc_43.pdf
www.railway-technical.com/finance.shtml (look at the Ratio of Revenue to Operating costs oO )
litep.epfl.ch/files/content/sites/litep/files/shared/Liens/Downloads/Divers/Baumgartner_Couts_chf_2001_e.pdf
Etc.
Keep in mind that most of these studies are the worst case scenarios in the 1st world.
In certain countries, Japan, many short haul routes have disappeared because they can't compete with trains.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 10:23, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't really know that much about the operational costs of a transport network to be honest
other than well, it's cheaper to fly in some circumstances.

That's it really
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 10:51, Reply)
This is a normal post That we can agree on.
Still smells like a Irish trawler...
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 10:56, Reply)
This is a normal post I can't quote statistics or anything,
But I have been led to believe that some analysis was done looking comparing national railways to our motorway / a-road system, and the conclusion was that the best value for money the government can get means never building any more train tracks ever again and just building motorways everywhere.

www.transport-watch.co.uk/facts-sheet-7-rail-versus-road-capital-costs-track

(Personally, I don't agree with this, since I need the train system and I'm already shafted daily by the prices, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the order-of-magnitude difference in cost)
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Pave the bloody island
One endless blacktop as far as the eye can see.

This forgets the cost of ownership of cars, aka cost of trains, that is distributed.
Cost of being stuck in jams.
Benefit of on working, reading, resting in trains.
Time lost looking for parking etc
Amongst others.

This is apple to fish.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 14:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Last November
we flew from Berlin to Naples, took the train to Sorrento, took a boat to Capri and back, returned to Naples by train (stopping off at Pompeii), flew from Naples to Luton airport, took a train from Luton to Nottingham, and later flew from East Midlands airport back to Berlin. The cost of the train from Luton to Nottingham was more than the total cost of all the other travel we did. That must be wrong!
 (serenissima is the most serene. And don't frigging forget it!, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 10:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep
When I see the prices of tickets we paid in Japan...

Quick test:
- Luton to Nottingham: 144KM: $45,50 to £104 - so £0.32 to £0.72 per mile.
- Tokyo Central to Shinfuji 142Km: $31.60 - $0.22 per mile.
And in Japan, it's a Shinkansen that makes anything rolling in the UK look a bit like an open top cattle box car with service from a disgruntled East German border guard.
If you took the local train - about the same speed as an UK train, the price would be even lower. But still more comfy.
And this is Tokyo, the real estate might be a tad more expensive than in Luton.

As a quick story:
In Japan, we took the train on average once a day for 3 weeks.
All spot on time. Except one.
It was 3minutes late, the horror! The staff was on the verge of tears...
Bowing, excusing themselves for being lazy etc.
Came back to Belgium, second day back to Uni, train 45 min late and terminates one station early - effectively putting all the passengers 1 hour late.
The driver and the controller were having a gay old laugh about it.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 10:54, Reply)
This is a normal post That sounds about right
BTW admittedly we did have to pay the top whack for the Luton to Nottingham train, and the flights were RyanAir & Easyjet at the lowest price we could get them. But still ...
Here in Germany you can for example get any day of the week a Brandenburg-Berlin ticket for 29€ that gives unlimited travel anywhere in Brandenburg for up to five people for 24hrs.
If you can't get together five people there are numerous websites where you can advertise for co-travellers. That's 6€ per person, and if you are on a popular run you can even end up making a profit!
 (serenissima is the most serene. And don't frigging forget it!, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 11:34, Reply)
This is a normal post And did I talk about the packed meals on sale in Japanese train stations?
Bloody miss those... Ahhh.
 (smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Fri 23 Jan 2015, 11:50, Reply)